Was accused of raising with nothing

**triple-t** · 09-25-2005

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with

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1 fold, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, 3 folds, Button calls, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (7.40 SB)

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(3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, Button calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (5.20 BB)

(3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, Button calls $0.15 (All-In), UTG+1 calls.

River: (7.50 BB)

(3 players, 1 all-in)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 7.50 BB

Results in white below:
UTG+1 has 6h 4d (one pair, sixes).
Hero has JavaScript Ks (high card, king).
Button has Kh 4s (high card, king).
Outcome: UTG+1 wins 7.50 BB.

I think I played this hand as well as I could. What do y'all think?

**puddlejumper** · 09-25-2005

Don't know if I'm raising that pre-flop, but besides that everything looks okay, though I'd be tempted to bet the river, to try and get rid of UTG+1

**growlers** · 09-25-2005

It's not nothing, but raising with KJs at a full table UTG+1 is a long-term losing play. It's much better in a multiway pot so pointless to raise unless first in on button or cutoff.

**Marm** · 09-25-2005

Yeah, me likey.

Flop, strong flush draw and overs, all of which are probably live enough not to negate any outs, maybe 1 flush out.

Turn, 1 over, flush and straight draws, good bet.

River, Well, you shoulda bet here, he too was probably on a draw, so you should bet this to hopefully have him lay down an Ace high flush draw that missed.

Now I'll look at the results.

**Marm** · 09-25-2005

errr yeah, missed the MP raise, dont like that

**Phytopath** · 09-25-2005

It depends on what the table was like I suppose.

If the table is super-tight....nah, even then I doubt I would raise in EP with KJs at a full table.

If the table is really passive, you would still be better off calling and hoping for a multi-way pot.

Flat calling with K4o or limping early with 64o isn't exactly what I would call solid poker either.

Your post-flop play was very good, I would have done it the same way. It depends on the players and your reads though.

**triple-t** · 09-25-2005

I raised because I wanted to try to isolate myself with UTG+1. She (I'm assuming, but could be wrong) was a VERY weak player as you can see by her starting cards. Also, by this point, I had shown myself to be a tight/aggressive player so I may have caused a better hand to fold. (Yes, I agree that this play is a money loser in the long run but I was trying to make a play).

The reason I didn't bet the river is because I missed the board. UTG+1 would not have folded her hand on the river either. I figured the button for an ace, but I still had him beat. (What was he chasing? One overcard?)

Like I said... This table, overall, was weaker than the average .25/.50 tables I play on.

Anyway, I posted this because UTG+1 accused me of betting and raising with nothing. Of course, I said nothing about her terrible preflop play (and borderline postflop play)

**Phytopath** · 09-25-2005

Keep a note on these players as to what they play and you can adjust your play accordingly. If you knew UTG+1 was a calling station, then bluffing the river would have been pointless.

I'd also do what you are doing and trying and find these players and sit at their tables whenever you play.

Raising to isolate players works alot better when they raise 1st, and then you re-raise to isolate.

**bonchkid** · 09-25-2005

Fold preflop, rest looks fine.

**triple-t** · 09-25-2005

Originally Posted by bonchkid

Fold preflop, rest looks fine.

Fold preflop?

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