Texas Hold'em $0.50-$1 (real money), hand #1,294,057,129
Table Kiew, 23 Sep 2005 7:28 AM ET

Seat 1: DeaconVick
Seat 2: dtrql
Seat 3: Vieno
Seat 4: Muffens
Seat 5: vlcrptr
Seat 6: IdayTrd
Seat 7: littlejoe x
Seat 8: discodavey
Seat 9: To The Gate
Seat 10: PJofTheGame [ KS,AC ]
ANTES/BLINDS
Vieno posts blind ($0.25), Muffens posts blind ($0.50).

PRE-FLOP
vlcrptr folds, IdayTrd calls $0.50, littlejoe x calls $0.50, discodavey folds, To The Gate calls $0.50, PJofTheGame bets $1, DeaconVick folds, dtrql folds, Vieno calls $0.75, Muffens folds, IdayTrd calls $0.50, littlejoe x calls $0.50, To The Gate calls $0.50.

FLOP [board cards 2D,3H,5S ]
Vieno checks, IdayTrd bets $0.50, littlejoe x calls $0.50, To The Gate calls $0.50, PJofTheGame bets $1, Vieno calls $1, IdayTrd bets $1, littlejoe x calls $1, To The Gate folds, PJofTheGame calls $0.50, Vieno calls $0.50.

TURN [board cards 2D,3H,5S,6C ]
Vieno checks, IdayTrd bets $1, littlejoe x folds, PJofTheGame folds, Vieno folds.

SHOWDOWN
IdayTrd wins $12.50.

SUMMARY
Dealer: dtrql
Pot: $13 | Rake: $0.50
DeaconVick loses $0
dtrql loses $0
Vieno loses $2.50
Muffens loses $0.50
vlcrptr loses $0
IdayTrd bets $3.50, collects $12.50, net $9
littlejoe x loses $2.50
discodavey loses $0
To The Gate loses $1.50
PJofTheGame loses $2.50

Except for the flop raise I guess you played it about how you had to. The flop raise narrowed the field by one but to whose better benifit - yours or Iday's? and was the cost worth it when you were on the draw to a gut-shot str8? The pot had $7 in it when you raised giving you 7-1 pot odds while your outs (four 4s) were at 10.5-1 for one draw (5.1-1 for 2 draws but both at the same price which means getting a free card on the turn - so figure one draw to make or fold). By just calling you had 14-1 pot odds for a 10.5-1 single draw shot at your str8.
You could count 6 more outs for your overcards but with that flop you have to worry about the low str8 already being make (A-4suited). Or Iday may be betting a small pair with an Ace kicker so your overcard draws are reduced by half. I think one draw to make or fold is about right.

Originally Posted by Aces-o-8s

The pot had $7 in it when you raised giving you 7-1 pot odds while your outs (four 4s) were at 10.5-1 for one draw (5.1-1 for 2 draws but both at the same price which means getting a free card on the turn - so figure one draw to make or fold). By just calling you had 14-1 pot odds for a 10.5-1 single draw shot at your str8.

Actually, his pot odds for that straight draw are worse. If the 4 falls, there is the slight possibility someone has the 6 in hand. The greater threat is that someone has an ace. If someone has the ace, it is a split pot. Therefore, those four 4s are worth maybe 2 or 2.5 outs combined.

I was speaking about the turn odds, but the river odds are the same case. However, for the river, if the 4 comes, best case scenario is a split. At these low limits, I'm guessing that he has the 4 and you are paying $1 for 3 outs to the split. Folding is definitely what I'd have done here.