I think this hand is interesting because, I think folding my hand isnt to bad of a option, considering I could already be beat or will be beat on the river.

So how would you guys play it.


Stage #191051094: Holdem No Limit $0.50 [ 2005-09-21 12:14:39 ]
Seat 5 - NILSMASTER $52.40 in chips
Seat 6 - TANGO523 $104.85 in chips
Seat 8 - SWXYCHIEFSXX $195 in chips
Seat 9 - PTTSBURGHKID $61.48 in chips
Seat 1 - SIMONSEZAA $62.23 in chips
Seat 4 - TALONTHROWER $90.05 in chips
*** BLIND [dealer 5] ***
TANGO523 - Post small blind $0.50
SWXYCHIEFSXX - Post big blind $1
SWXYCHIEFSXX - Pocket [5c,5s]
PTTSBURGHKID - Calls $1
SIMONSEZAA - Calls $1
TALONTHROWER - Folds
NILSMASTER - Raises $1 to $3
TANGO523 - Folds
SWXYCHIEFSXX - Calls $2
PTTSBURGHKID - Calls $2
SIMONSEZAA - Calls $2
*** FLOP [Kd,Kh,5h] ***
SWXYCHIEFSXX - Checks
PTTSBURGHKID - Checks
SIMONSEZAA - Checks
NILSMASTER - Checks
*** TURN [Kd,Kh,5h,10s] ***
SWXYCHIEFSXX - Bets $3
PTTSBURGHKID - Raises $3 to $10
SIMONSEZAA - Raises $10 to $59
NILSMASTER - Folds
SWXYCHIEFSXX - All-In(Raise) $56 to $192
PTTSBURGHKID - All-In $48.48
SIMONSEZAA - All-In $0.23
SWXYCHIEFSXX - returned ($132.77) : not called
SWXYCHIEFSXX - returned ($0) : not called
*** RIVER [Kd,Kh,5h,10s,4d] ***
SIMONSEZAA - Show cards [Qs,Ks]
SWXYCHIEFSXX - Show cards [5c,5s]
PTTSBURGHKID - Show cards [Kc,9s]
*** RESULT ***
Total Pot($189.44:$187.94,$1.50) Rake ($3)
Board [Kd,Kh,5h,10s,4d]
SIMONSEZAA - HIree of a kind, kings [Qs,Ks - P,B,B,P,B:10s]
TALONTHROWER - Folded on the POCKET CARDS
NILSMASTER - Folded on the TURN
TANGO523 - Folded on the POCKET CARDS
SWXYCHIEFSXX - Total ($186.44) All-In HI$186.44)Full house, fives full of
kings [5c,5s - P,B,P,B,B]
PTTSBURGHKID - HIree of a kind, kings [Kc,9s - B,B,P,B:10s,P]

Originally Posted by ChieF

I think this hand is interesting because, I think folding my hand isnt to bad of a option, considering I could already be beat or will be beat on the river.

I think this is a little bit of false modesty. By the turn, only 4 card combinations beat you: KK, TT, KT, and K5. All of these are extremely unlikely given his preflop betting patterns (in the case of the first 3 hands) and the fact that you hold a 5 (in the case of the last one). The far greater likelihood is that he holds a single king, and with one card to come, he has only 7 outs (1K, 3T, and 3x of his whatever his holecard is). You got him to bet his entire stack when the odds are 6:1 of him making his hand. Nice flop, nice slowplay, and nice pot.

Originally Posted by mxp2004

I think this is a little bit of false modesty. By the turn, only 4 card combinations beat you: KK, TT, KT, and K5. All of these are extremely unlikely given his preflop betting patterns (in the case of the first 3 hands) and the fact that you hold a 5 (in the case of the last one). The far greater likelihood is that he holds a single king, and with one card to come, he has only 7 outs (1K, 3T, and 3x of his whatever his holecard is). You got him to bet his entire stack when the odds are 6:1 of him making his hand. Nice flop, nice slowplay, and nice pot.

Theres 2 people all in with the king on the turn.
I had to dodge 9 cards in order to win.

SIMONSEZAA would have scared me with his turn raise. Not enough to fold, but I know how people LOVE to play K10.

Originally Posted by triple-t

SIMONSEZAA would have scared me with his turn raise. Not enough to fold, but I know how people LOVE to play K10.

I thought 10/10 was more likly then K/10, Had the guy with K/q on A/K wasnt sure about short stack.

Originally Posted by ChieF

I had to dodge 9 cards in order to win.

I will take those odds.

An A or a Q are the only think that would really scare me (or another T).

Originally Posted by ChieF

Theres 2 people all in with the king on the turn.
I had to dodge 9 cards in order to win.

The fact that there are two people doesn't change things much. IMHO, it just confirms that all the Ks are out. You're correct that the field against you has 9 outs collectively, but you still win this hand 4 times out of 5. Why would you even think about folding on the turn here?

Originally Posted by ChieF

Theres 2 people all in with the king on the turn.
I had to dodge 9 cards in order to win.

What are the 9 cards? I'm counting 8. But ya an interesting hand I find myself in this situation as often as you. Actually have had several discussions with friends about this situation since it's so easy to take a lickin' with the 55. And as far as MXP says is with especially 10 10 being out of the question. Is it? I tend to raise early or limp depending on the table, with 10 10 and call late. This isn't the situation here but fact of the matter is, this hand has to improve to win. My logic is by calling it's decent disguise of strength and if 10 flops I'm under the radar because of the probability of an over. Meaning with a flop of A 10 4 rainbow. I'm feeling pretty good. Don't want to start a whole new conversation but is this wrong? The point being I wouldn't count out a 10 10 in that given situation.

Originally Posted by Acesareplayedout

What are the 9 cards? I'm counting 8. But ya an interesting hand I find myself in this situation as often as you. Actually have had several discussions with friends about this situation since it's so easy to take a lickin' with the 55. And as far as MXP says is with especially 10 10 being out of the question. Is it?

The 9 cards are the 3 hole cards of the first opponent (the "x" in Kx), the 3 hole cards of the second opponent, and the 3 remaining Ts.

As for pocket tens being unlikely, I just think that the most players will handle TT a lot like they play JJ from an early position. The typical play is to raise with it from an early position to limit the competition. Late position play can vary depending upon the action when it gets to you. Finally, for what it's worth, this table was only 7-handed, raising the strength of a hand like TT and increasing the likelihood that someone would open-raise with it.