PokerStars Game #2598069498: Tournament #12683870, Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2005/09/17 - 15:37:54 (ET)
Table '12683870 1' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Clintcph (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: GRN Dragon (1500 in chips)
Seat 3: WCAWCA (1500 in chips)
Seat 4: AladaNA (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: TsquaredACES (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: demon des (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: homer1971 (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: cherryboy (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: pmax (1500 in chips)
GRN Dragon: posts small blind 10
WCAWCA: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to WCAWCA [Jh Jc]
AladaNA: calls 20
TsquaredACES: folds
demon des: folds
homer1971: calls 20
cherryboy: raises 100 to 120
pmax: folds
Clintcph: calls 120
GRN Dragon: folds
WCAWCA: raises 280 to 400
AladaNA: calls 380
homer1971: folds
cherryboy: calls 280
Clintcph: raises 1100 to 1500 and is all-in
WCAWCA: calls 1100 and is all-in
AladaNA: folds
cherryboy: folds
WCAWCA said, "i hate this hand."
*** FLOP *** [2h 5h 7s]
WCAWCA said, "i like it more now"
*** TURN *** [2h 5h 7s] [Tc]
WCAWCA said, "WHAT"
*** RIVER *** [2h 5h 7s Tc] [Qc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
WCAWCA: shows [Jh Jc] (a pair of Jacks)
Clintcph: shows [5c Th] (two pair, Tens and Fives)
Clintcph collected 3830 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3830 | Rake 0
Board [2h 5h 7s Tc Qc]
Seat 1: Clintcph (button) showed [5c Th] and won (3830) with two pair, Tens and Fives
Seat 2: GRN Dragon (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: WCAWCA (big blind) showed [Jh Jc] and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 4: AladaNA folded before Flop
Seat 5: TsquaredACES folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: demon des folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: homer1971 folded before Flop
Seat 8: cherryboy folded before Flop
Seat 9: pmax folded before Flop (didn't bet)



except for after the hand someone, mind you someone not in the hand said to me, "welcome to low limit hold em...boy now leave you're done here"

so basically he is trying to tell me that with all these raises it is normal for people to play hands like this? i don't care what the limit, that's not normal.

i was expecing a/k

honestly i hate jj and i felt great about it after he flipped, but man what a tool.

That`s the sort of hand that would compromise severley my chat "priviliges"

hi look i'm new..

i have opinions about the lower limit/buyins. they are flounders who never seem to improve their game, that or do not currectly have the money or skills to play higher levels. the good news for the second type is that this levels pays out much more than it should. the bad news is that every once in a while you will be on the bad end of a suck out. but a trade i will take more often then not.

now about your hand in paticular, you might have bet to much to start with to be able to throw away your middle pair. but given the circumstance you had everything right, all ducks were in a row, the cards just forgot to do the rest. i beleive if you played this 100 times would win 73 times after the same flop. you got one of the 17 times but it is gonna happen poker will be poker.

sorry it happened tho i think you played it close to right. good luck in the future

Originally Posted by Marm

just because someone doesnt have the bank for higher limits, then they are a bad player?? Maybe you should look a recent thread that says otherwise.

he didnt say that marm, he said that the people who play at the lower limits either are bad players OR do not have the bank to play higher. not both

hah i imagine if i played that identical hand 100 times i would win more than 73 times.

I play lots of low limits as well and judging by the chips stacks your at the start of a SnG and I've definately seen a lot worse hands take out better hands on the infamous first hand all ins. Not much you can do. Fold after the re-raise? Something to consider. Flop includes a Q, K, or A 52% of the time. If you put him on AK you put yourself on 52% to win the hand. If QQ crossed your mind now your way back. So best case scenario is the guy turns 10 5. At that point your laughing. There's no previous hands to really judge his play and the type of player he is. Unless you have notes on him. So I guess the bottom line is you were willing to play the 52% chance you win the hand. Does it matter you lost? Your going to run into AK AQ even AJ or higher pockets the majority of the time there is this type of action pre flop. You will win a slight fraction more than you lose. So regardless of whether he turned 10 5 or AK you will lose this hand about 48% of the time so just take it in stride. Funniest part. I would have pushed too. ; )

Lets forget about the terrible beat for a moment and have a look at how you played the hand. I think that you should have released it when he went all in.
He raised 5xBB then you reraised him 4xhis raise and then he went all-in. Absent of a read you shouldn't be feeling too good about your jacks here. On the assumption that this player is reasonable (a bad assumption as it turns out) there are really 2 types of hands he could have. a) an overpair AA KK or (perhaps) QQ or b) AK.

If he has an overpair your odds are terrible and are almost certainly out of the tournament.

If he has AK or AQ your odds are about 50-50. Now many would say call if your odds are 50-50 but at this point in the tournament I'm not so sure. True there is 800 odd chips in the pot so you have odds to call another 1100 for as 50-50 bet but if you lose it is all over. Once you lose your stack you cannot rebuy like in a cash game. It is better, I think, to wait until you have a better chance to win or when the blinds force you to make this play. You have plenty of hands before you run into blind trouble, so wait until you get a better opportunity. You never know what is around the corner