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    Default Playing with overcards when to toss them?

    Let say no limit hold em you get thrown AK late in position, a few limpers come in you raise 3x the blind and have 4 people see flop (total) but you're last to act . Flop comes rag, rag, queen everyone checks to you. You bet 3x the blind again and one person reraises, other 2 fold so you're figuring thay have at leasta Q with a decent kicker. Is it worth continuing to see the turn? I'm sure thiere are alot of other variable to consider but let's say it's an on-line ring game so having a visual read is out.

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    First off all, I think a 3X the BB bet on the flop is too small - I'd bet closer to half the pot.

    I'd most likely throw it away here. At MOST you have 6 outs, but the check raise tells me he's got a Q with a good kicker. AQ or KQ is a deffinate possibility in which case you're down to 3 outs (and if he DOES hit a card that give you TPTK and him two pair, you're gonna lose a LOT of chips).

    I'd think about staying in, depending on how big the raise was, if I had a backdoor flush draw. Outside of that I think it's time to bail.
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    The other thing to consider is that a raise from last to act on a ragged flop when checked round is often a steal/bluff, particularly if raised preflop and so your opponent may have a pretty good read on you.

    That said, depending on the size of the reraise relative to the pot and info on the opponent it's a fold.

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    Dump it, but I think the PF raise was a little small. When you raise limpers, it should be a bit more than you opening raise since they already have money in the pot. there were 6+ bets in the pot, and only 2 more to call. Most hands are gonna call you.

    Now there is over 12 bets in the pot.

    First of all, with three other seeing the flop, I would probably check behind here. Someone has something.

    Next, with 12 bets in to pot, you are giving 5:1 for them to call you 3bb bet. Those odds are too good. You need to bet 1/2 to 3/4 the pot if you are gonna take a poke at it. Now when you get raised you can be pretty sure you are behind.

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