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PokerStars Game #2555726588: Tournament #12455933, Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2005/09/11 - 23:30:34 (ET)
Table '12455933 1' Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: MaGoogler (990 in chips)
Seat 3: bobmcb (1560 in chips)
Seat 4: Matty KGB (3950 in chips)
Seat 5: WCAWCA (2940 in chips)
Seat 7: eatenchips (1720 in chips)
Seat 8: sdslim1 (1230 in chips)
Seat 9: Pete Steele (1110 in chips)
eatenchips: posts small blind 15
sdslim1: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to WCAWCA [Ad Qc]
Pete Steele: calls 30
MaGoogler: folds
bobmcb: folds
Matty KGB: folds
WCAWCA: raises 90 to 120
eatenchips: calls 105
sdslim1: folds
Pete Steele: folds
*** FLOP *** [7h Th Qs]
eatenchips: bets 210
WCAWCA: raises 240 to 450
eatenchips: calls 240
*** TURN *** [7h Th Qs] [3h]
eatenchips: checks
WCAWCA: bets 600
eatenchips: raises 550 to 1150 and is all-in
WCAWCA: calls 550
*** RIVER *** [7h Th Qs 3h] [Ah]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
eatenchips: shows [Jc Jh] (a flush, Ace high)
WCAWCA: shows [Ad Qc] (two pair, Aces and Queens)
eatenchips collected 3500 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3500 | Rake 0
Board [7h Th Qs 3h Ah]
Seat 1: MaGoogler folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: bobmcb folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Matty KGB folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: WCAWCA (button) showed [Ad Qc] and lost with two pair, Aces and Queens
Seat 7: eatenchips (small blind) showed [Jc Jh] and won (3500) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 8: sdslim1 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: Pete Steele folded before Flop
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Thread: did i do anything wrong here?
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09-11-2005 #1River Rat
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did i do anything wrong here?
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09-11-2005 #2Stu Ungar
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Well...
Not that bad considering you put your money in with the best hand, but I dont like to gamble that much early in a SNG. (ehhhhh.... was it a SNG or an MTT?)
The point is that you could easily have been drawing dead. Fine you were'nt, But with almost 2500 in front of you, you dont have to take that gamble IMO. you could have check fold that turn.
Interesting hand I think... lets see what the otehr posters think!
KJ
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09-12-2005 #3Chaser
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Put this in bad beats where it belongs. You got all the money in as a huge favorite and you want to know if you played it wrong? Give me a break.
Originally Posted by etomicsean
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09-12-2005 #4Check Raiser
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I dont like the turn play personally, even though he did bet a lot on the flop for him to be on a draw he didnt push right away when you raised meaning that he prolly thought he was behind at this point. When the 3rd heart came on the turn i would have figured he had made his flush and prolly gotten rid of the hand right there just because you still have a lot of chips in front of you and it is a decent pot but not so much that you cant get away from it
If there wern't luck involed i guess id win everyone
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09-12-2005 #5Chaser
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At each point of the hand you have to try and read what cards he might hold. PF he called your raise so unless he's an idiot, he has something. The flop was coordinated with flush and straight possibilities but you don't have either of those draws. You have TPTK with only backdoor draws. His bet on the flop says he liked the flop and the fact that you were the PF raiser and he bet into shows strength (unless you know this guy is loose aggressive, that's what you have to assume).
So now you hold TPTK with straight and flush draws on board and the guy bets into you. Would he do that with a draw, or did he also pair the Q or have a pocket pair? What does he think you have? He might put you on a pair lower than his JJ or perhaps you have AK. Your raise on the flop was correct because you want information. And he gave it to you saying he had strength and liked the flop.
This should warn you. He might want to go all the way with his hand and you have to look at your situation in the tournament. You are early and have a good sized stack. Going all in with him and losing will put you from near the chip lead to near the bottom.
You also have to assess what this guy's read on you is. Have you been playing aggressively and loose? He could very well have put you on AK thinking you are trying to bully him out of this pot.
I would say this guy played fairly aggressively and did get a good river card but I think you should have checked and folded the turn. TPTK is good but not always in the face of draws on the board, as you found out. When I have TPTK, I usually like to also have a draw if I'm going to the mat, especially when a heads up opponent is showing now signs of giving up his hand.Last edited by JokersWild; 09-12-2005 at 10:09 AM.
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09-12-2005 #6Mike McDermott
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check the turn.... fold the river.... wouldve saved urself some dough
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09-12-2005 #7change my title babo
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Checking the turn is very, very wrong here. Originally Posted by Av8tor009
“There's no sense in being precise when you don't even know what you're talking about.” - John von Neumann
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09-12-2005 #8River Rat
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yea that's what i thought. check the turn and give him the free card. i dont know what he was doing calling the turn bet. i believe after he said he knew he was beat on the turn but just thought he should call it.
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09-12-2005 #9Chaser
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By the strict guidelines of poker playing, you are right. But don't you ever assess the situation and muck a hand that you know is likely to be ahead? Originally Posted by bonchkid
If that guy had AJh instead of JJ, WCAWCA would have been drawing dead. If it's a NL cash game, then it's a different story. Protecting a large stack in a tournament is not that far a stretch. I know this is a gambling game but when I'm in good position in a tourney, I tend to gamble less, especially with most or all of my stack.
If you don't like checking on the turn, the how about a smaller bet of say 200-250 with the intention of folding to a raise?
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09-12-2005 #10PokerForums God
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Originally Posted by bonchkid
Do you see why?Marm is back, maybe. Been off for 3 years. Rusty as Hell.
Luck is a Residue of Design.
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