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    Default Blind play...what's your turn play?

    What does my opponent have? My opponent was a pretty solid shorthanded player and somewhat aggressive heads up. I've been real tight due to bad cards but I was also aggressive when first to act.....Sorry about not using the hand coverter as I can't seem to get it to work right.


    #Game No : 2621127267
    ***** Hand History for Game 2621127267 *****
    $10/$20 Texas Hold'em - Monday, August 29, 23:00:08 EDT 2005
    Table Table 10746 (6 max) (Real Money)
    Seat 3 is the button
    Total number of players : 6
    Seat 3: Ronzel ( $1293 )
    Seat 6: Wskypete ( $487.50 )
    Seat 5: Jackemy ( $520 )
    Seat 1: misha1961 ( $139.50 )
    Seat 2: shelikeswhenIpoker ( $964.50 )
    Seat 4: Zacharz ( $0 )
    Zacharz has joined the table.
    Jackemy posts small blind [$5].
    Wskypete posts big blind [$10].
    ** Dealing down cards **
    Dealt to Jackemy [ 6s Qc ]
    misha1961 folds.
    shelikeswhenIpoker folds.
    Ronzel folds.
    Jackemy raises [$15].
    Wskypete calls [$10].
    ** Dealing Flop ** [ As, 6c, 2h ]
    Jackemy bets [$10].
    Wskypete raises [$20].
    Jackemy calls [$10].
    ** Dealing Turn ** [ 5h ]
    Jackemy checks.
    Wskypete bets [$20].
    Last edited by Jackemy; 09-08-2005 at 08:26 PM.

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    my first piece of advice would be to not ask the question here as most people here don't operate on the 10/20 short level (myself included), but i would probably toss this one preflop as its not a great hand and BB is pretty solid as you said so it will be a tough battle.

    i'd be tempted to 3bet flop possibly orr donkbet the turn. most players will 3bet any ace headsup so I wouldn't put him on an ace. this board is pretty drawless so you can always 3bet/bet/checkcall call/donk or call/checkcall/betcall

    i'm a big fan of donking the turn because we won't get him to go away on the flop for 1 more SB but a donk turn might get him to fold.

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    I don't know what he has. If he is tricky, he would not raise his A on the flop, in which case I would probably call him down; otherwise, I fold. But more importantly, I would never steal raise with this kind of a rag in a short game, unless it was against a real tight player. Give up the $5 to not trap yourself in a hand like this where against most decent players you have to pay them off. You don't need to play hands like this to make money at 10/20 6way, if its at party which it looks like from the history.

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    What about leading the turn again? That way if you can get raised vs an Ace. I can't put him on a big ace or even like A7o from the BB to a steal attempt or 77-KK here. Unless you think he would just call with QQ+ to try to trap?
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    I think either leading out on the turn and folding to a raise or checking and folding are the best options. I have trouble with checking and calling. You only have 5 outs to improve so might as well lead the turn if you are going to call anyway. Tough hand.
    If he had a A you think he would just check the flop since there aren't alot of draws on the flop and then raise your turn bet. But I am not so sure about that fact that I want to waste a turn and river call here with a pretty weak hand. That's why I think I would want to figure out if he's serious either on the flop by reraising (folding to a reraise) or on the turn by betting (and folding to a raise.)

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    I was out of town for a while but I wanted to post the results.

    My opponent was standard tricky for a 10/20 game which are usually filled with hyper-aggression.

    Why blind steal with junk like Q6. In my opinion it was a loose play but heads up with an opponent that will defend with anything Q high has some relative strength. So about 1/4 of the time I'll raise and I'll fold the rest.

    I caught middle pair on the flop with an ace rag board so I felt the flop bet was the correct play as I wanted to end the hand there. My opponent raised. This actually was less scary to me then a call as a call on a rag board screams slowplay with an ace. I was also not very concerned with an overpair to my pair of sixes as I would have seen a re-raise on the flop. So at this point I'm looking at a bluff, a pair of sixes or bottom pair as the most likely hand. Right know I'm only behind to a K6

    The turn was a rag that open up some thin draws. I check with the intention of calling which again is a slightly questionable play. But my thought here was o let my opponent take the lead and avoid the raise on the turn as he could very likely continue the bluff on a rag board and I didn't want to be in a position to give up my hand. He bet and I called.

    The river was an Ace paring the board and I check as I'm out of position with the intention of calling. My opponent checks and shows a pair of twos and I take the hand with my sixes.

    I thought this was a nice example of a heads up hand where you need to read the opponent's betting pattern to put him on a hand. After the hand plays out you can understand why my opponent played the way he did as he was trying to end the hand early also. As a general rule in heads up play. aggression on the flop means a mediocre or worse hand.

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