Could I have won the pot if I had played differently?

Phytopath · #1 (**permalink**) 09-08-2005, 07:15 AM

Texas Hold'em $0.50-$1 (real money), hand #1,246,614,104
Table Tijuana, 8 Sep 2005 07:35 AM

Seat 1: cbukowski ($16.75 in chips)
Seat 2: jallucola ($14.35 in chips)
Seat 3: Fast Indy ($33.95 in chips)
Seat 4: broccoliboy ($43.95 in chips)
Seat 5: sspuk ($17.50 in chips)
Seat 6: GMHawkeye ($50.85 in chips)
Seat 7: pokermenia ($2.25 in chips)
Seat 8: Phytopath77 [,] ($21 in chips)
Seat 9: roy r frush ($47.90 in chips)
Seat 10: BlowDog ($23.55 in chips)

ANTES/BLINDScbukowski posts blind ($0.25), jallucola posts blind ($0.50).

PRE-FLOP: Fast Indy folds, broccoliboy folds, sspuk folds, GMHawkeye calls $0.50, pokermenia calls $0.50, Phytopath77 bets $1, roy r frush calls $1, BlowDog folds, cbukowski folds, jallucola calls $0.50, GMHawkeye calls $0.50, pokermenia calls $0.50.

I was in good position here and a bunch of people limped in before me, this game was slightly stronger than most I have played at Pokerroom, but these people still can't toss junk aces. Seeing that I decided to raise to hopefully buy the button and force out the blinds.

FLOP [board cards

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jallucola checks, GMHawkeye checks, pokermenia checks, Phytopath77 bets $0.50, roy r frush calls $0.50, jallucola folds, GMHawkeye calls $0.50, pokermenia folds.

good flop, but very dangerous...here I am not really sure what I should have done, I bet hoping to get re-raised so I could 3 bet hoping that no dangerous cards would fall on the turn. They just called my bets, telling me they either had me beat or were drawing to the flush or the straight.

TURN [board cards

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GMHawkeye checks, Phytopath77 bets $1, roy r frush calls $1, GMHawkeye bets $2, Phytopath77 calls $1, roy r frush calls $1.

I felt like I was in no-man's land here, the check in front of me could have meant they made their hand or it could have meant they were scared of the flush card? I decided to bet again and hopefully buy the pot right here, I got re-raised now I know I am behind or it could have also been a semi-bluff with the Kd, maybe with pair of queens to boot. I call since I have the odds, and I hope that either a J or an A come on the river

RIVER [board cards

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GMHawkeye bets $1, Phytopath77 folds, roy r frush calls $1.

well now I can beat just about well nothing......I would have called a blank, but another diamond, well maybe better luck next time. If I had played the flop differently do you think there is anyway I could have snagged this thing? Or was I simply at the mercy of the cards?

SHOWDOWNGM
Hawkeye shows [ 10D,8D ],roy r frush mucks cards [ AC,KH ]GMHawkeye wins $14.25.

SUMMARYDealer: BlowDogPot: $14.75, (including rake: $0.50)cbukowski, loses $0.25jallucola, loses $1Fast Indy, loses $0broccoliboy, loses $0sspuk, loses $0GMHawkeye, bets $4.50, collects $14.25, net $9.75pokermenia, loses $1Phytopath77, loses $3.50roy r frush, loses $4.50BlowDog, loses $0

Steve-O · #2 (**permalink**) 09-08-2005, 07:22 AM

what could you have done differently that is going to make a double gutted straight and flush draw fold????? If you were playing no limit and pushed in this guy would be foolish to fold.

Aces-o-8s · #3 (**permalink**) 09-08-2005, 08:57 AM

The error was made pre-flop and by roy r flush who, by failing to re-raise your 2 bets to 3 and presenting Hawkeye with a double bet decision, failed to gain protection for his A-K (and your A-J). Hawkeye (and the other 2) faced with only a 1 bet raise most probably found it an easy decision to call but if faced with a 2 bet raise he MAY have thought better of the odds against his 10-8 suited. However, if Hawkeye is the type to call a 2 bet re-raise (to protect his 1 bet already invested) with only a mediocre flush/str8 draw, then your fate was sealed. Once the 2 diamonds appeared on the flop, there was no way he would be pushed off his hand.

Hand protection is much easier in No Limit Holdem as any hand can be prtected with an over-the-top bet up to and including all-in. No such protection is provided in Limit Holdem since 1 bet is easy enough to call so you need the help of another player to re-raise your bet and thin the field of mediocre hands with a 2 or 3 bet call. You did your part but roy r flush failed in his and you both lost to a mediocre hand.

Joem04 · #4 (**permalink**) 09-08-2005, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Aces-o-8s

The error was made pre-flop and by roy r flush who, by failing to re-raise your 2 bets to 3 and presenting Hawkeye with a double bet decision, failed to gain protection for his A-K (and your A-J). Hawkeye (and the other 2) faced with only a 1 bet raise most probably found it an easy decision to call but if faced with a 2 bet raise he MAY have thought better of the odds against his 10-8 suited. However, if Hawkeye is the type to call a 2 bet re-raise (to protect his 1 bet already invested) with only a mediocre flush/str8 draw, then your fate was sealed. Once the 2 diamonds appeared on the flop, there was no way he would be pushed off his hand.

Hand protection is much easier in No Limit Holdem as any hand can be prtected with an over-the-top bet up to and including all-in. No such protection is provided in Limit Holdem since 1 bet is easy enough to call so you need the help of another player to re-raise your bet and thin the field of mediocre hands with a 2 or 3 bet call. You did your part but roy r flush failed in his and you both lost to a mediocre hand.

just a great first post nothing left to say

Phytopath · #5 (**permalink**) 09-08-2005, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Aces-o-8s

The error was made pre-flop and by roy r flush who, by failing to re-raise your 2 bets to 3 and presenting Hawkeye with a double bet decision, failed to gain protection for his A-K (and your A-J). Hawkeye (and the other 2) faced with only a 1 bet raise most probably found it an easy decision to call but if faced with a 2 bet raise he MAY have thought better of the odds against his 10-8 suited. However, if Hawkeye is the type to call a 2 bet re-raise (to protect his 1 bet already invested) with only a mediocre flush/str8 draw, then your fate was sealed. Once the 2 diamonds appeared on the flop, there was no way he would be pushed off his hand.

Hand protection is much easier in No Limit Holdem as any hand can be prtected with an over-the-top bet up to and including all-in. No such protection is provided in Limit Holdem since 1 bet is easy enough to call so you need the help of another player to re-raise your bet and thin the field of mediocre hands with a 2 or 3 bet call. You did your part but roy r flush failed in his and you both lost to a mediocre hand.

I was quite suprised when I saw that he had AK in the HH, it was pretty weak play since he had position on me who was the raiser of the pot. I figured I was toast in this pot after the flop, it did give me some valuable info on the one player 'roy r flush' however, and I felt I didn't lose all that much.

I figured there was nothing I could do and was obviously at the mercy of the cards. Thanks for the input guys