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    PokerStars 0.05/0.10 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

    Preflop: Hero is CO with , .
    6 folds, Hero calls, Button raises, 1 fold, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, Button calls, BB calls.

    Flop: (12.40 SB) , , (3 players)
    BB bets, Hero raises, Button calls, BB 3-bets, Hero calls, Button calls.

    Turn: (10.70 BB) (3 players)
    BB bets, Hero calls, Button calls.

    River: (13.70 BB) (3 players)
    BB bets, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, BB calls, Hero caps, Button calls, BB calls.

    Final Pot: 23.70 BB

    Results in white below:
    BB has Ac Ks (two pair, aces and kings).
    Hero has Jc 9c (three of a kind, jacks).
    Button has Ts Td (two pair, jacks and tens).
    Outcome: Hero wins 23.70 BB.


    My raise on the flop was because I was hoping to get the third guy to fold. I hadn't been at the table long, so my read wasn't that great...but what few hand I had seen showed the BB as very agressive and playing crap (The hand before, he won by flopping Trip 2's with K2o with a PF raise.) I'm looking more towards my reasoning and play, not the results.
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    Preflop is weird, really weird. With zero limpers I'll probably just fold J9s here. I don't know what you're getting at with the open limp, cap. It's just chip spewing vs the solid pros at 5c/10c. You really shouldnt raise the flop vs a guy who basically told you he has JJ+ AK AQs. River is cute.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bonchkid
    Preflop is weird, really weird. With zero limpers I'll probably just fold J9s here. I don't know what you're getting at with the open limp, cap. It's just chip spewing vs the solid pros at 5c/10c. You really shouldnt raise the flop vs a guy who basically told you he has JJ+ AK AQs. River is cute.
    I really though that it was a decent hand to open with. I figured the button was bluffing to buy the pot and BB had the same read but wanted me to fold. I capped because once I decided to call the 3 bet, I figured the button would cap anyway, might as well save a revolution around. These guys were playing really loose PF and aggressive Post flop.

    I raised on the flop trying to drive the Button out...It didn't work, but I thought it seemed good. I was trying to buy both the button and a free card on the turn. I also didn't give BB credit for a decent hand, figured it was more a continuation bet then anything (specially when he flat called my raise).

    When he bet out on the turn, I figured he might actually have something (Put him on KQs or less at that point...good read by me huh ). I also thought (is this right?) that the pot was a little to big for me to fold at this point given the chance that BB could have been bluffing.

    I figured with 10:1 pot odds, I had 5 live outs (I didn't, but that was my read), and a chance he was bluffing at the large pot. We can all agree I got lucky to hit a 2 outter, but I tried to "think" my way through the hand. Not sure if my thought process was decent or not. Obviously my reads weren't.
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    Very well played IMO. Agressive is good, your opponents don't know what you have and your promoting you have the best hand which get's a lot people to fold the actual best hand instead. Then when you raised after the flop then got called you just called afterwards (consider that an information bet). That was good since the King came out and you could have been dead. Yeah the river saved you but you had to figure after you were called on the flop someone had something. You win some and lose some in that situation and you won this time. There will be other times like that you will lose.

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    WHOA, WHOA, WHOA COWBOY!

    Pre-flop Problem #1 - NEVER EVER open limp from the cutoff or button. EVER

    Pre-flop Problem #2 - J9s is a multiway hand that will not show a profit in the long run vs 2 opponents, especially in a raised pot. Once it is 3 bet and you need to call 2 bets you should fold. Like Bonch said you probably shouldn't be playing this hand in this situation in the first place but if you do next time please open raise with it from the cutoff.

    Flop Problem #1 - Oh my god FOLD, FOLD, FOLD. you have middle pair with no kicker in a capped pot with an Ace on board. You have no draw not even a viable runner runner. This could be one of the worst flop raises from an educated player i have ever seen.

    Turn Problem #1 - Again fold, what are you looking for on the river??? A jack which could leave you beaten anyway? you are either drawing completely dead or to POSSIBLY 2 outs at the most, most likely dead though.

    River problem #1 - You hit your miracle but it is quite possible you are still beat just call the 3 bet next time. you are beaten by AA, KK, AJ, KJ, JQ, JT, QT, 44, these are all possible holdings in a game like this. the only hand you can beat that this guy would cap the river with is AK.

    You got lucky here, real lucky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve-O
    WHOA, WHOA, WHOA COWBOY!

    Pre-flop Problem #1 - NEVER EVER open limp from the cutoff or button. EVER

    Pre-flop Problem #2 - J9s is a multiway hand that will not show a profit in the long run vs 2 opponents, especially in a raised pot. Once it is 3 bet and you need to call 2 bets you should fold. Like Bonch said you probably shouldn't be playing this hand in this situation in the first place but if you do next time please open raise with it from the cutoff.

    Flop Problem #1 - Oh my god FOLD, FOLD, FOLD. you have middle pair with no kicker in a capped pot with an Ace on board. You have no draw not even a viable runner runner. This could be one of the worst flop raises from an educated player i have ever seen.

    Turn Problem #1 - Again fold, what are you looking for on the river??? A jack which could leave you beaten anyway? you are either drawing completely dead or to POSSIBLY 2 outs at the most, most likely dead though.

    River problem #1 - You hit your miracle but it is quite possible you are still beat just call the 3 bet next time. you are beaten by AA, KK, AJ, KJ, JQ, JT, QT, 44, these are all possible holdings in a game like this. the only hand you can beat that this guy would cap the river with is AK.

    You got lucky here, real lucky.
    Trons, I love ya buddy, but I was so disgusted that I couldn't find the words to type a response to this, I'm glad that Steve-o could. Read this about 20 times so it really sinks in, especially preflop #1.

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    I did miss that where he only calls at the CO instead of raising. Yeah raise that everytime with that hand but in that case the button would have re raised. Either way HERO was set on capping it and is in the "Lead". Then after the flop when HERO is raised you would have to re conider going any further. Your right Steve.

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    Raise that everytime? I fold this hand 90% of the time..
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    I mean the BB would have re raised, not sure where my mind is right now.

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    Pre-flop in that same exact situation with that hand.

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