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09-02-2005, 11:35 AM
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PokerStars 0.02/0.04 Hold'em (8 handed) converter
Preflop: Hero is BB with  ,  .
UTG calls, 5 folds, SB completes, Hero raises, UTG calls, SB calls.
Flop: (6 SB)  ,  , (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG calls, SB folds.
Turn: (4 BB) (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls.
River: (6 BB) (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls.
Final Pot: 8 BB
Results in white below:
Hero has Td Ad (one pair, twos).
UTG has Kc 5d (one pair, twos).
Outcome: Hero wins 8 BB.
New to the table. I have no reads on anybody.
I've recently read SSH and am still working the concepts, and thought this would be a good case to show where I think I understand the concepts, but not completely sure. Is this a text book SSH move or was I really lucky?
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09-02-2005, 12:35 PM
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Well.........................
I don't know........
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09-02-2005, 01:06 PM
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Trons you are becoming a bully,
Your play here is very aggressive, amazingly people folded pre-flop.
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09-02-2005, 01:23 PM
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What's really funny is that this was the third hand I had entered The first 2 hands I showed down (and won) with a flopped str8 (queen high) and the nut flush. and I folded about 5 hands between those two and this one. If I had developed a table image (in the short time I was there) it was if I come on strong, I have a hand.
As far as people folding PF, I'm not sure about that, I usually won't join a table unless there is >60% in PF. This was the first time I had seen the table fold like that. Of course, dude calling down with K high amazed me...
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09-02-2005, 01:33 PM
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I'm not really sure what the preflop raise was meant to accomplish. You were the last to act, and no one who had entered the pot already would fold for an additional 2 cents. I guess you were raising for value on the theory that you had the best hand; however, ATs is a marginal hand from early position, and the end result is often that you simply create a pot large enough to make subsequent calls by your opponents with drawing hands correct.
I probably would have checked the flop to see what others did. Since there were no preflop raisers, it's entirely possible that your opponents were playing small pairs or low-connectors, and so this flop may have hit them. Having said that, you did have only two other opponents, and one of them already checked to you, so this was probably an ok spot for a semi-bluff, especially since you had represented strength by your preflop raise. Neverthelss, given that the board was coordinated in both rank and suit, it should not have come as a surprise to you that you got called.
I really don't like your river bet at all. From your perspective, you should have been thinking, "my opponent either was drawing to a flush or straight or he holds a small pair. If I bet, a player with the busted draw will fold and I'll win nothing; but the player with the made hand will call and I'll lose money." As it turned out, your opponent was a total fish/calling station, and he called with his two busted draws and only king high. I think you definitely got lucky in this regard.
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09-02-2005, 03:16 PM
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You're never going to win a pot preflop in a low-limit game for the first raise. ATs just isn't strong enough to be raising there.
Once you did raise, you had to bet on the flop...
I would have been done with the hand there. There's 8 small bets in the pot, so you can't get a flush draw to fold, and you're certainly not betting for value with A high. Most of my losses when I first started playing were continuing to bluff because I bluffed an earlier street... and the calling stations would wipe me out with their middle pairs.
Yes you got lucky here... I waited till I typed that until I read the results, and your opponent played terrible here. He was getting the odds to draw to his gutshot, even on the flop, and the double belly buster on the turn gave pretty good odds.
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09-02-2005, 09:05 PM
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Ok...I think we can all agree that I got very lucky here. I'll be honest, and I think everybody knows this, I'm still learning. I decided to drop down to the lowest levels while I'm getting comfortable with raising hands and folding hands (calling hands usually, but not in this case, speak for themselves). Once I had raised PF, I felt the need to bet out on the flop, which had the nice benifit of getting SB out of my hair  .
On the turn, I think I was jst afraid of showing weakness and falling for a bluff. I hadn't been at the table long enough to know how he plays hands, but I was honestly expecting him to raise if he had hit in any capacity. When he kept calling, I figured he would fold at any time. He didn't and I got lucky that he had a weaker hand then I did.
Side note, I did pretty well at that table walking away with more then $1.00 after about 65 hands (it was .02/.04).
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09-03-2005, 07:59 AM
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change my title babo
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lololo nice value bet sir! Check your option in the BB by the way..
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09-03-2005, 08:44 AM
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Dude, your playing .02/.04, that is play money but you played right IMO. Just think about why the guy UTG called with a K,5o then had a gut shot after the flop and chased. Odds are your hand would be good after that kind of flop in a REAL GAME. Now since your playing micro limits (you can throw the SSH book out the window on this one) you won't have a clue what is good anymore. You need to play at .25/.50 and up to get a real game of poker where people care. In poker there has to be "FEAR" in the game or people will just play and call anything to the showdown. Again you played it right and if the guy had raised you I would have raised right back at him.
Move up in stakes, you only need about $100 to play a decent stakes game where you will really learn unlike this micro limit table crap.
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09-03-2005, 08:57 AM
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If he had a read on the UTG as loose his play is perfect on every street. He has to bluff the river because of the pot size, turns out it was a value bet though.
One very minor criticism I have is this; Being new to the table you should assume that everyone plays like you until you have information disputing this. I know it is .02/.04 but raising an unknown EP limper with ATs from the BB is not a good idea, from Late Position you can do this. At a .02/.04 table you might be up against a sorta tight passive player who would limp with AJ, AQ, 99, and so on but not play Ax, KT type hands from EP.
Like I said if you knew he was loose I like the raise, not knowing this, a check is in order in my mind although it probably would have cost you the pot here  . Can't believe he called with King high on the river.
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