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  1. #1
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    Default Where is my mistake here?

    Pokeroom .5/1$

    Well I was at the table for a while ghettocash was playing everyhand dealt and trying to bluff on almost everystreet throughout the game Hertford was a typically Elephant, though they all try to make some fancy plays. I was in late middle position and get dealt this.


    Seat 1: Phytopath77 ($20.60 in chips)
    Seat 2: char52 ($6.75 in chips)
    Seat 3: _Exq_ ($91.90 in chips)
    Seat 4: Uro2223 ($45.60 in chips)
    Seat 5: K_G_B ($39.60 in chips)
    Seat 6: downale ($5.25 in chips)
    Seat 7: ghettocash ($42.35 in chips)
    Seat 8: hertford ($111.65 in chips)
    Seat 10: sspuk ($24.90 in chips)



    ANTES/BLINDS
    K_G_B posts blind ($0.25), downale posts blind ($0.50).

    PRE-FLOP
    ghettocash calls $0.50, hertford calls $0.50, sspuk folds, Phytopath77 bets $1, char52 folds, _Exq_ folds, Uro2223 folds, K_G_B folds, downale calls $0.50, ghettocash calls $0.50, hertford calls $0.50.

    FLOP
    downale checks, ghettocash bets $0.50, hertford calls $0.50, Phytopath77 bets $1, downale calls $1, ghettocash calls $0.50, hertford calls $0.50.

    TURN
    downale checks, ghettocash checks, hertford checks, Phytopath77 bets $1, downale calls $1, ghettocash calls $1, hertford calls $1.

    RIVER
    downale checks, ghettocash checks, hertford checks, Phytopath77 bets $1, downale bets $2, ghettocash bets $3, hertford folds, Phytopath77 calls $2, downale calls $0.25 and is all-in.


    I was making a value bet here on the river, I knew the str8 was there but figured no one had the pot-odds to call with a gut-shot, also why would you check if you hit it, kinda counter productive IMO. Would people have just checked the river here? I guess that calling the re-raises on the river was my mistake



    SHOWDOWN
    ghettocash shows [ AC,7D ]
    Phytopath77 mucks cards [ KS,KH ]
    downale shows [ 7H,7S ]
    ghettocash wins $1.45, ghettocash wins $9.25, downale wins $9.25.



    SUMMARY
    Dealer: Uro2223
    Pot: $20.50, (including rake: $0.55)
    Phytopath77, loses $6
    char52, loses $0
    _Exq_, loses $0
    Uro2223, loses $0
    K_G_B, loses $0.25
    downale, bets $5.25, collects $9.25, net $4
    ghettocash, bets $6, collects $10.70, net $4.70
    hertford, loses $3
    sspuk, loses $0

    All I said after the hand was over, was "nice hand" and went about my business.
    Last edited by Phytopath; 09-02-2005 at 10:56 AM.

  2. #2
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    Actually, they were easily getting the odds to chase a gutshot on the turn.

    I also think you should have checked behind on the river. At these limits when there's a four card draw on the table, SOMEONE is gonna have it. Show down your hand here.
    -You may not know this, but poker is a game of incomplete information.

  3. #3
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    I realised after they did have additional outs and there was enough money in the pot after the turn to make that call.

  4. #4
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    Don't base you opinions of what your opponents have on it being incorrect to call.

    All you have is one pair on a very coordinated board facing a raise and re-raise. I don't think one pair will win this often enough to make that call profitable.

  5. #5
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    This is a mindless check on the river ... who is gonna call you that you can beat, a pair of 6s?? You check call here in most games, in others, you might even check fold.

    Quote Originally Posted by Phytopath
    Pokeroom .5/1$

    Well I was at the table for a while ghettocash was playing everyhand dealt and trying to bluff on almost everystreet throughout the game Hertford was a typically Elephant, though they all try to make some fancy plays. I was in late middle position and get dealt this.


    Seat 1: Phytopath77 ($20.60 in chips)
    Seat 2: char52 ($6.75 in chips)
    Seat 3: _Exq_ ($91.90 in chips)
    Seat 4: Uro2223 ($45.60 in chips)
    Seat 5: K_G_B ($39.60 in chips)
    Seat 6: downale ($5.25 in chips)
    Seat 7: ghettocash ($42.35 in chips)
    Seat 8: hertford ($111.65 in chips)
    Seat 10: sspuk ($24.90 in chips)



    ANTES/BLINDS
    K_G_B posts blind ($0.25), downale posts blind ($0.50).

    PRE-FLOP
    ghettocash calls $0.50, hertford calls $0.50, sspuk folds, Phytopath77 bets $1, char52 folds, _Exq_ folds, Uro2223 folds, K_G_B folds, downale calls $0.50, ghettocash calls $0.50, hertford calls $0.50.

    FLOP
    downale checks, ghettocash bets $0.50, hertford calls $0.50, Phytopath77 bets $1, downale calls $1, ghettocash calls $0.50, hertford calls $0.50.

    TURN
    downale checks, ghettocash checks, hertford checks, Phytopath77 bets $1, downale calls $1, ghettocash calls $1, hertford calls $1.

    RIVER
    downale checks, ghettocash checks, hertford checks, Phytopath77 bets $1, downale bets $2, ghettocash bets $3, hertford folds, Phytopath77 calls $2, downale calls $0.25 and is all-in.


    I was making a value bet here on the river, I knew the str8 was there but figured no one had the pot-odds to call with a gut-shot, also why would you check if you hit it, kinda counter productive IMO. Would people have just checked the river here? I guess that calling the re-raises on the river was my mistake



    SHOWDOWN
    ghettocash shows [ AC,7D ]
    Phytopath77 mucks cards [ KS,KH ]
    downale shows [ 7H,7S ]
    ghettocash wins $1.45, ghettocash wins $9.25, downale wins $9.25.



    SUMMARY
    Dealer: Uro2223
    Pot: $20.50, (including rake: $0.55)
    Phytopath77, loses $6
    char52, loses $0
    _Exq_, loses $0
    Uro2223, loses $0
    K_G_B, loses $0.25
    downale, bets $5.25, collects $9.25, net $4
    ghettocash, bets $6, collects $10.70, net $4.70
    hertford, loses $3
    sspuk, loses $0

    All I said after the hand was over, was "nice hand" and went about my business.

  6. #6
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    Definite check on the river. and an even more definite fold to a check-raise, check-raise re-raise!

    Is the re-raiser dumb enough to try to bluff a river check-raiser???? and is the check raiser dumb enough to try to bluff you who was willing to bet this hand at the river???

    Definite check and definite fold to the additional bets.
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  7. #7
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    I realise what I did wrong here, this thread is a week old....no need to continually rub it in

    I'm not too upset about the original bet here, in this instance I still felt it wasn't a terrible play, in a tougher game I will check in a similar situation.

    Calling the double-raise was stupid and wont happen again. Now please let the post die a noble and horrible death

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