wow...talk about weird...I used to think the same thing about any site at micro limits...however, I've read SSH...and while I thought some of the advice was kind of out there for these types of tables...specifically I thought the advice in SSH was more how I wanted my opponents playing.

I decided to drop in levels (Been playing .05/.10 and dropped to .02/.04 LLH). You gotta be very lucky to find a looser, more aggressive table then a Stars .02/.04. I gave myself 100 hands (very small sample for trying something new, but I wanted to see how it did in the short run before changing my stratagy long term). After 100 hands, I was up $4 (100bb/100hands). These loose players may draw out on you occassionally, but on the average, if you're playing smart poker, you WILL take their money.

I didn't get any very special hands (KK once and AK twice). I jst played hands the way it was suggested in SSH. I'm not saying I can do this everytime I sit down. I'm not saying that I wasn't lucky, but there were at least 5 times in that game where I would have check/fold or check/call that SSH suggests Raise or Check/Raise...I followed the advice the best I understood it and won those particular 5 hands...

I'm convinced now that while I may not understand the concepts in SSH, it is made for low limit hold-em on the internet. I'm going to practice quite a bit more at the lower limit then move up again once I'm more comfortable with the plays and my understanding of why they work...

Originally Posted by LearnPoker

Since most of you guys seem to love this poker site which I don't, here is something to think about.

In a long handed ring game limit or NL put 2 pro's and 8 fish (all call stations) at the table. Since the fish will call almost anything to see a flop (say 50-60%) it won't matter it the pro plays a good hand or not, there hands turn into poop. The game becomes suicide even for the pro and not worth the time even if you can make money. Who cares about grinding it out for $2/hour or whatever it is and who really enjoys that kind of poker anyhow??? You can make way more money against better players who are still weak and have fun at the same time. Am I missing something here?

Yeah, Im trying to figure out party as well. I seem to have no problem getting up huge at a particular table (2-3x my buyin) yet after a certain point someone always has the most ridiculous suck out (middle pair tripping up on the turn/river, same with an over pair vs. top pair with shitty kicker hitting trips or two pair, runner-runner everything no matter how unlikely). I mean its funny to see what they had and what they possibly could be thinking pre flop or ever post flop.

Next session I am going to try something different, once I get up a certain amount, say ~2.5x buy-in (dependant on feel of table) I am going to get up and buy in for my normal amount at a different table.

Originally Posted by KRE8R

You need to read a book about these type of games if you have not, and if you have then you completely missed what was being said. I just finished reading Sklanskys Low Limit Hold Em, and it has really altered the way I play in these types of games. It seems like everyone goes into these games with the attitude that they can beat these tables full of fish, and then they get worked over pretty good. I did this, and then proceeded to try to figure out what I was doing wrong. After reading the book, I got a free $10 on PowerPlayer, and after playing for about six hours in the .15-.30 limit tables I am up to a little over $70. The book made that much of a difference. Sklansky says that it doesnt matter how many suckouts are at the table, because you only go against them with the best hands in the best positions. When you do this, mathematically you will win the majority of the time. Its just math. I cannot totally explain it here, but, man, trust me it works. You have to fundamentally change the way you look at these games. After reading Sklanskys book it was like my eyes were opened, and I immediately went out and played better poker.

With all that said, yes, you will get drawn out on, and all I can say for that is that with my bankroll of $70 dollars I am sticking with the .15-.30 tables so that when I do lose a big pot to a suckout, I have alot of money to continue on. This is what has saved me, playing within my bankroll limits. Most people would want to jump the the .50-1.00 tables or higher with $70, but I must resist the urge to do this until my bankroll is up to at least $150. THEN I can think about jumping up to higher limits, and making a higher number of dollars per hour.

And that's all I have to say about that

Originally Posted by Antneye

I'm still trying to figure out why the jab at this site?

Whats that all about? Sure their are some a-holes, but most folks here just wanna learn and talk poker.

he was talking about Party Poker, not PFO