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    i need some general advice on how to play pocket pairs.

    basically if the blinds are reasnoble and i'm short stacked i move all-in. but i've found myself losing out with them alot when i've got alot of chips. not getting enough out of the pot when i have them. or possibly making it too easy for others to hit hands. i don't know. but i'm going wrong with them somewhere i know..

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    Which pocket pairs?

    22-66
    77-99
    10s
    JJ
    QQ
    KK
    AA,

    You should play them differently. not too fast but, with hands like :
    22-66 I may fold or limp to hit a set.
    77-99 call or raise, but not stand a raise
    10-qq, stand a raise but no re-raise
    kk, aa, re-raise all the time (may slow play aa, very not often)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fireball
    Which pocket pairs?

    22-66
    77-99
    10s
    JJ
    QQ
    KK
    AA,

    You should play them differently. not too fast but, with hands like :
    22-66 I may fold or limp to hit a set.
    77-99 call or raise, but not stand a raise
    10-qq, stand a raise but no re-raise
    kk, aa, re-raise all the time (may slow play aa, very not often)
    I agree with all ofthat but ina cash game, if I K/K and raise thenre raised Im just calling

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    well i just got knocked out with pocket 10s. got reraised on the flop and called. ended up 3 handed but the guy who reraised me folded as another guy went all in on the river and took it with a straight.

    was this my bad? should i have gone all in pre-flop when i got reraised? the guy who reraised me was the big stack.

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    Im confused. did u get re-raised pre- or post flop, or both? But regardless of that your hand doesnt play well against multiple opponents. If you felt that you had the best hand pre-flop go all-in, try to isolate. Heads up- you are more than likely a favorite.
    If its post-flop, depends on what the flop was.

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    Very general guidelines, because position and blinds relative to stack will change things, as does the # of players.........

    but basically at a full table, early in a tournament.........or your standard ring game scenario.

    10's through Aces raising to minimize field.
    22-99 limping and hoping to catch a set....check folding if overcards hit board.

    This works fine for me.

    Late in a tourney with big blinds and fewer players I am raising almost all of my PP's.

    Never pushing unless I have an extremely low M and am in an All-In/Fold mindset.

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    I always find the hardest ones to play are low pairs...as theres a good chance that the flop will show 2 or more over cards, but possibly you still have the best hand (if theres only 1 or 2 other ppl in the pot)...

    i usually stick to a 'limp, check, fold' strategy, but theres been too many occiasions where i've folded an underpair on the flop only to see that i would have made trips on the turn or river, or even for the pot to end up being won by ace high, or lower pair

    its very hard to know where you stand tho...this is an example from a tourney i played the other day, can't find it in my hand history so some details might be a little off.

    middle stages of tourney, blinds 50/100

    UTG+1 has about 12BB
    MP has 10BB
    BB (Me) has about 18BB

    UTG+1 raises to 300
    MP calls
    BB with calls

    Flop comes

    I check
    UTG checks
    MP bets about half the pot

    i folded...i suspect that MP doesn't hold a Q, but i can't really call because of the other player

    UTG calls

    Turn is

    Both check

    River

    UTG min bets
    MP calls

    UTG shows
    MP shows

    if i had bet out on the flop AK probably would have folded, and the flush draw would have probably just called...would people consider that a good move in order to gain information...or is it risking to much to gain to little? i suspect that against a flush draw and 3 over cards i would have been lucky to win that pot...should i have just folded preflop because i was out of position?
    I love him who is ashamed when the dice fall in his favour and who then asks: Am I then a cheat? for he wants to perish.

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    hey man do you know the new betfair codes

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    I take it we are talking tournament play. There is a strategy using low pocket pairs late in a tournament called the stop and go. You use this when you are in real blinds trouble and are looking to double up the safest way possible. It is best when you are in the blinds or early position so you act BEFORE a caller.

    With a low to mid pair ie up to 99 you raise about half your stack preflop and then bang the rest in post flop regardless.
    If the guy has called you with overcards (very likely) it gives him only 3 cards to hit rather than 5. this gives him about a 30% chance of hitting rather than a 50%. If he misses on the three he'll probably fold and you have made a nice profit for less risk than letting him see all 5 cards.
    If he called pre-flop with a higher PP that doesn't set up then you put him in a tough position; if there are overcards, he'll probably fold.
    Even if he hits an overcard on the flop he may not call because he may not like his kicker too much, or it is middle pair rather than top pair

    Of course this does have the draw back that if he does call you are most likely in trouble but you were prepared to put it all in anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antneye
    Very general guidelines, because position and blinds relative to stack will change things, as does the # of players.........

    but basically at a full table, early in a tournament.........or your standard ring game scenario.

    10's through Aces raising to minimize field.
    22-99 limping and hoping to catch a set....check folding if overcards hit board.

    This works fine for me.

    Late in a tourney with big blinds and fewer players I am raising almost all of my PP's.

    Never pushing unless I have an extremely low M and am in an All-In/Fold mindset.
    I have since modified my play to raising them all the way down to 7's......my reson being that my raise is mostly leaving me against overcards, and if I get a favorable flop (no paint, or 1 paint) I can continuation bet and take the pot down in most cases. If I hit my set, I can slow down with a favorable flop, or bet it hard against a scary flop. A higher PP is often re-raising me PF, so I know where I stand.

    This modification seems to be working favorably on my pp play.

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