Originally Posted by Beavis68

well, if that is what you think of his play, then you fold.

Yeah... precisely. And that's what the little angel on my right shoulder was whispering in my ear. But the devil on my left was saying things like "2d best starting hand," "don't be a wimp," "you could end up the chip leader," and "worst case you're back to where you started." The little devil won.

Seriously, though, I think one of my weaknesses is that I overthink situations and give my opponents too much credit. In the UTG's place, I wouldn't have moved in over the top with less than AA or KK, but that's not to say that others players won't. I was thinking about this as I was contemplating the call, and it caused me to doubt my read about the UTG's play under the circumstances.

Originally Posted by Shadypac

I WILL NEVER lay down KK in fear of AA. Its like laying down bottom set in fear of top set. Id have to have hell of a read. I think your playing by results here. Why is AK, QQ or JJ not possible here trying to isolate the shortstacked BB who will almost certainly play for the rest of his chips.

I'm in complete agreement with this. If he's a decent T/A player, he may have wanted to be heads up with the SS and could have had AA, KK, QQ, possibly even something like AJs. depending on how aggressive he is.

It was your read, and you may have been correct, but are you sure you didn't get the great read after the fact? Is it not possible you're being too results oriented? AA is the only hand that beats you, but the range of hands he could have made this move with is far greater (imho) and you had the favorite over the vast majority of those hands...

Honestly, I care more about making correct decisions than getting the right result. Before I even looked at my cards, I thought to myself, "ok, this is a good player, raising from UTG. You need a strong hand to keep playing."

When I looked down and saw kings, I thought, "My hand is not only strong enough to play, it's strong enough to raise. I need to make a big raise to get this heads up or take down the pot." So I raised to 1,200.

I wasn't worried about the BB's flat call. Given his stack size, I figured if he had Aces or Kings, he'd be all in.

When the UTG re-raised all in, I replayed the sequence in my mind. He had raised UTG, and that meant to me that he had at least a pocket pair of TT or better, AK, or AQs. Then he re-raised me, a tight player and someone who had more than double his stack. He knew I had a hand (because of my re-raise) and that I could afford to call (putting his tournament at risk). That made me narrow his hand down to AA, KK, and possibly, QQ.

Next, I thought about the pot odds. If the BB folded, the pot was offering me just a little under 2:1. However, I thought the BB would call, and that would raise the pot odds over 2:1. While I knew that I was not getting the right odds if he really had aces, I took into account that my read might not be perfect and that I didn't want to make the mistake of playing too weakly. And so I called.

Turns out my read was right and so my call was wrong. But if my decision-making was good, I'd feel better about things. It sounds like of lot of you would have made this call, too.

Originally Posted by Announced Tilt

I folded KK once PF in my life. It was on the bubble in an SNG and I was 2nd in chips. He raised to 3xbb, I reraised to 10xbb, he pushed, and I folded. He had AA. I ended up winning the tourney.

personally i think that is playing scared right there, worked out that he had aces but in a sng people are going all in on a lot of worse hands