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Old 08-29-2005, 07:13 PM
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Still at the same table at Pokerroom, I just took down a big pot playing a pair of 8s aggressive and turning a set to take a 30BB pot. I felt I had good to great reads on everyone playing, especially since I was playing at work and could only single table.

edit:: this is 1$/2$ limit

I am in MP CO-2 with



everyone folds to me I raise to represent a big hand and to try and scare of the elephant that is sitting 2 positions up on me, sure enough the elephant folds as does everyone up to the BB. The BB is a solid player who has only shown big hands, very tight and somewhat aggressive. The BB calls.

The flop:


well as the pre-flop raiser I continue representing a strong ace, the BB calls. Either he is slowplaying something or he has nothing.

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I continue my aggressive play and bet, he raises very quickly. To me this screams he is full of it, since he would have protected a weak ace after the flop and raises a big ace pre-flop. I figure he is either trying to bluff me or has a 9, so I re-raise him hoping that he'll fold. He thinks for his full allotted time before calling.

The river:



The villian checks, hero comtemplates betting but reluctantly checks.

Was this hand messed up? should I have gotten away from it after he called my flop bet? Again results aren't that important to me.

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Old 08-29-2005, 07:37 PM
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Im thinking since hes a decent player, hes got you trapped with a set of 9's, with his turn raise.

As buggy as Hollywood software is, and I'm assuming Pokerroom is similar.. I'm usually hesitant to assign reads to hesitation here.

After his turn call, I'm thinking hes got something, and that something probably has you beat, but he doesnt know it.

You definatly checked for value on the river. You are only getting called here by hands that beat you, and hes not going fold enough times to make it a +EV bluff bet (thats what it is, IMHO), so checking has the highest EV for the river,
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I gotta say I don't like the turn re-raise. It's hard to believe you are good here more than 10% of the time as there are no draws for him to be semi-bluffing with. Unless the guy has shown himself to be a hyperaggressive maniac bluffer not too many people bluffcheckraise the turn against the preflop raiser with an A flopping.

You essentially got the best outcome you could hope for, he called and you got a free showdown. If you has a hand than might improve i.e. greater than 2 outs - like you picked up a flush draw on the turn, then I like it as the combined chance he will fold (very low) plus the chance for either a free showdown or to bet if you get the flush on the river might make it worth it. But with only two outs it is not a good play in my humble opinion.

I would have folded to the checkraise. If you call you are obligated to call the river bet that will surely come. I like aggressive poker, but if you decide not to fold the turn, with your turn reraise the chance he:

[will reraise your turn reraise + chance he calls and bets into you on river] >>>> [he folds + calls and free showdown (which happened)] = losing more money than just calling it down
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read dependent. played perfectly up to the turn which is debatable. the 3 options:

fold - only do this if you have a strong read on the person as never showing a bluff

call - standard move, call down - then raise the 6 on the river

raise - im assuming this is 1/2, right? then raising will not be good unless he is good at making laydowns. i could see people wanting to do this at a higher level because some people will laydown 9's or ace bad kicker even if your table image is right. this 3betting also will most likely give you a free showdown, so it is a goot play at times IMO. the only bad thing about it is that if he really is checkraising with air, then you don't get the bluff river bet that he would give

IMO this should be a 97% calldown at 1/2
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Old 08-29-2005, 10:03 PM
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Thanks for the input guys.

The villain showed:




for a big fat nothing.

Again I felt I had a good read on the guy, that he may of actually had a 9 and hence my re-raise. I felt he was a good player and that was why I figured he didn't have a good ace or a bad ace, and why I was hoping to get him to throw away his 9 if he had it. I had been throwing away hands at this table on the turn and being fairly aggressive, and I guess he figured I was a mark to be bluffed.

Normally I don't make fancy moves at this level, I bet out with good hands and generally make 1 stab at the pot with a bluff (raising pre-flop). I knew this guy was a better player, though no idea why he called my 3 bet on the turn .

Thanks for the input
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Im thinking since hes a decent player, hes got you trapped with a set of 9's, with his turn raise.

As buggy as Hollywood software is, and I'm assuming Pokerroom is similar.. I'm usually hesitant to assign reads to hesitation here.

After his turn call, I'm thinking hes got something, and that something probably has you beat, but he doesnt know it.

You definatly checked for value on the river. You are only getting called here by hands that beat you, and hes not going fold enough times to make it a +EV bluff bet (thats what it is, IMHO), so checking has the highest EV for the river,
I wasn't aware that the site was buggy, I'll keep that in mind before thinking that something is up next time. I'm not particularily fond on the site personally and doubt I'll finish my bonus there.
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Old 08-29-2005, 10:21 PM
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They store there HH's in a database on your HDD, unlike other sites with store them in a text file. Its takes processor speed (for me at least) to access these dbases and have PT proccess the files. I think thats what causing the hangups. Anyways, occasionaly/frequently, I have trouble acting in time because of it.

Hey, whats your name on there? I've been playing the same limits on the hollywood skin.....
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I play as Phytopath77 on Pokerroom, I cannot believe someone took Phytopath there already...thats just weird. I play as just plain old Phytopath everywhere else (PS, UB, FTP and PP).

I started off really well was up about 20 BB after my 1st 90 hand session, however I had some really bad beats and cold deck situations in my last 2 sessions there. Now however, I am down about 30 BB, I suppose I'll just have to tighten up my starting reqs a bit.

I also noticed that they changed their rake structure since yesterday, 1$ rake for a 12$ pot now. I certainly wont stick around after my bonus there.
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