Out of position in BB with top pair and weak or middle kicker I almost always checkraise since you know the CO will bet the flop. You can't really protect your vulnurable hand by betting out and you really want to reduce the field. The preflop raiser was in late position so there is a good chance you will be able to get it headsup. It also provides more info as if he reraises your check raise you can slow down.

edit: and I'll add that a checkraise would have made the turn decision alot easier

Originally Posted by growlers

Out of position in BB with top pair and weak or middle kicker I almost always checkraise since you know the CO will bet the flop. You can't really protect your vulnurable hand by betting out and you really want to reduce the field. The preflop raiser was in late position so there is a good chance you will be able to get it headsup. It also provides more info as if he reraises your check raise you can slow down.

edit: and I'll add that a checkraise would have made the turn decision alot easier

Hear hear....

Not to hijack, but here is what would usually happen, just played this hand:

Ultimate Bet 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with , .
UTG+1 raises, 6 folds, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) , , (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero raises, UTG folds, UTG+1 3-bets, Hero caps, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (7.25 BB) (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, Hero calls.

River: (11.25 BB) (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13.25 BB

Results:
Hero has Qh Th (three of a kind, tens).
UTG+1 has As Ks (one pair, tens).
Outcome: Hero wins 13.25 BB.

Yes, his hyperaggressiveness had me questioning whether he had A10, but the chance I'm folding is zero regardless of the river card. He did exactly what I was talking about, he semibluffraised the turn when he picked up the flush draw, it was stupid of him to bet the river though. That's just throwing money away.
If the FLOP had been suited I would have reraised the turn and then if no flush came, bet the river. I had put him on high pair after he capped the flop though, so when he raised my turn bet when the second ten came I decided he was on A10 as it would be bizarre for an overpair to do that. The AKs in spades I discounted as the flop capping I felt was not in line. But live and learn.

edit: I felt bad at first hijcaking by posting my hand in your post, but this hand so perfectly fit had to do it, sorry

Originally Posted by growlers

Not to hijack, but here is what would usually happen, just played this hand:

Ultimate Bet 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with , .
UTG+1 raises, 6 folds, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) , , (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero raises, UTG folds, UTG+1 3-bets, Hero caps, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (7.25 BB) (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, Hero calls.

River: (11.25 BB) (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13.25 BB

Results:
Hero has Qh Th (three of a kind, tens).
UTG+1 has As Ks (one pair, tens).
Outcome: Hero wins 13.25 BB.

Yes, his hyperaggressiveness had me questioning whether he had A10, but the chance I'm folding is zero regardless of the river card. He did exactly what I was talking about, he semibluffraised the turn when he picked up the flush draw, it was stupid of him to bet the river though. That's just throwing money away.
If the FLOP had been suited I would have reraised the turn and then if no flush came, bet the river. I had put him on high pair after he capped the flop though, so when he raised my turn bet when the second ten came I decided he was on A10 as it would be bizarre for an overpair to do that. The AKs in spades I discounted as the flop capping I felt was not in line. But live and learn.

edit: I felt bad at first hijcaking by posting my hand in your post, but this hand so perfectly fit had to do it, sorry

i dont understand how the final pot is only 13 BB...


EDIT: Nevermind, i think i just figured it out, i was thinking big blinds...but its big bets, wow, ive been wrong this whole time...

I just read elephant in two posts now. What the fuck does it mean? Is raymer an elpephant or does he fall into the grizzly bear category? I know clonie gowen can't be an elephant, not big enough...