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Old 08-27-2005, 10:38 AM
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What's villians stack size mother fucker?

Option A

1.)Bet 3/4 of the pot
2.)Anything but checkraise. That's for sure.
3.)He's calling with a King... folding anything else?
4.)Bet a rag, check/fold a king. Weak tight it up if an ace/queen comes

Option B
1.) Check behind
2.) He'll obviously bet a king here. Or any card that pairs him up. Raise it up.
3.) If he knows you're speeding around he can probably assume you completely missed.
4.) Bet 1/2 of the pot. Scream steal.
I'm not scared of a checkraise here, what could he really have? if he checkraises I put him on AK or KQ and then push it right there... KK he wouldnt have limped in on, and the odds of him having 55,77, or K7 (or K5 for that matter) are minute, so im really not very scared of a checkraise. The most likely thing to happen if he DOES checkraise is he will fold to an allin bet, and if he DOES call that as well, I think he's drawing slim, with about 5 outs anyway you look at...(until the turn, where it turns into 8 outs...) thats my plan
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Old 08-27-2005, 11:15 AM
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Check raise from a weak tighty is almost always set or better.
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yeah, but it just doesn't make sense on this hand...KK would have raised preflop, and 55 or 77 probably wouldnt have called preflop anyway; let's disregard the ridiculous odds of him having the last 2 of either in the deck
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lol funny u say that cause i remember a hand quite similar that i had where a weak tight player limped with KK i hit top 2 with QK and figured since the "odds" were unlikely he has the case Qs or Ks i had the best hand. Well it cost me quite a bit. Unlikely yes, but u cant disregaurd it. Not to say i wouldnt call again in the same scenario.
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Old 08-28-2005, 03:05 AM
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why wouldn't he have called pf with 55 or 77?
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Old 08-28-2005, 06:37 AM
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I call any raise with pocket pair just to see the flop. Well let me rephrase that. I call unless its such a huge bet that I dont want to risk most my stack on a low pocket pair such as 5's
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Old 08-28-2005, 01:27 PM
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Well, I've been reading SSH, and while I've not had a chance to apply any of the great advice to my game, I found out in the first chapter that I'm a weak/tight player. If I'm this guy in MP with four folders, I'm not limping with any hand that beats you right now AND calling a raise with anything except maybe 77. I Can't put him on KK or even AK at this point. If I'm you, I'm betting 1/2 pot.

I don't think he has even TPGK right now because he (I) Probably would have made a bet for information/protection. Hands that seem very likely right are AJ, AT, A9, or midium pair (TT, 99, 88). given the way he plays, 77 is the only hand that cold beat you right now that imho, he could be playing. However, had I flopped trips, I may (have) checked/called as a trap to get you on the bigger rounds (This being NL, that doesn't really apply though ).

Any hand other then trips, (if I'm him) I'm check/folding...A 1/2 sized pot bet allows you to find out where he's at without risking a bunch of chips (see why I'm weak tight). Having said this, I think right now, you want him to fold. Any other move and he probably has you beat.

If he flat calls, and the turn is another high card, and he checks again, I'm checking the turn to see how he reacts on the river. If he bets out on the river, I think it's safe to assume he made his trips and a fold is called for. A w/t player can check/call to the river, but if he's first to act, he's not going to check the river, because he doesn't want to risk you not betting.
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Check raise from a weak tighty is almost always set or better.

Unless he thinks you are full of shit..
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why wouldn't he have called pf with 55 or 77?
It's definatly possible, however that call is pretty bad unless the money is very deep.
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not only that, but the fact you have a 5 and 7 in hand cuts the odds in half.
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