Originally Posted by Joem04

limit is a crap shoot there is no way to get people out of a hand, if i have rockets i dont want 9 ppl going to a flop with me and if they already have money in and i raise more then likly they are going to call, there is no way to control the odds you are offering so it is almost always a right play to chase cards. i would rather play nl where i can control a lot of the factors

Bingo!

For me limit is too mechicanical (sp), and you don't have as many options as you do in NL, and I am much better at NL than I am at limit, so thats why I play NL.

Originally Posted by LearnPoker

I used to knock limit for thinking you can't get anyone out and it's just one more bet to call but unless your playing at Party Poker it's not that way. Even then you should be able to grind it out (I'm actually working on this). I guess the better question here is how many people have mastered limit already that are currently playing NL? I understand they are 2 different animals but shouldn't one master limit before playing NL?

They are two different animals. I suggest mastering the game you like the most as there is no prerequsite for being a skilled limits player to before being a skilled NL player. I also don't think one game is above the other.

Personally, I prefer limit ring games as I find NL ring games a little boring.

there is so much wrong information about limit in this thread that i'm not even going to start correcting it.

Jackemy,

I disagree that limit isn't lower than NL, it is and is more complex. Just read SS1 or SS2, the NL section (both are the same) and if you don't believe Doyle then oh well. Were talking ring games not tourneys. Yeah NL is boring like watching a baseball game but when something happens it's a rush. In my mind there is something fishy about the huge number of people who play NL vs. Limit online yet NL is harder. Sure there are other games but were talking the same game different betting structure. I guess it was a bad question to ask.

I only want them in if we are all in PF.

And 8 is better.

Post-flop it is too hard to have any clue where you are in the hand.

Originally Posted by xxdemexx

er.. yes you do... you'll lose more often but your total gain (if this to happen 1000 times) - is greater. Actually I think the optimum numnber of ppl is 7 - I think Be worked it out once.

If your one on one with AA your win more hands - if you have multiway pots you'll win more money- but lose more hands.

I played alot of limit over the last few weeks. It is a hard game You control the pot odds in different ways. In an average hand you'll have to make four or five decisions - if you're no good at limit then you get these decisions wrong and bleed to death.

NL always has been less of a gentle haemorage and more of a de-capitation. And this is where the thrill is.

NL is very mathematical - but in a different way to limit. You're looking at probability distrbtuion functions which extend over 100 of hands rather than just a few hands in limit. As for controlling pot odds -- well NL isn't really about that. - It's about stacks... There is very little point in protecting top pair in NL at any thing other than the lower limits where pplare actually playing pot limit but don't even know it . NL is about making a victim of ppl who overvalue TP. AT higher limits its even hard to squeeze value out of AA.

as an example.

You have AQ- you raise get one caller ( who plays loose/tight at whim) the flop is Q 7 5 rainbow. you have 10 bb in the pot.How do you protect top pair? You bet the pot he goes all-in for say 80bb -- what do you do?? Will you always fold? Actually you have no choice - you have to fold - so much for protecting top pair

Pot limit is fun and to my mind the easiest place to make money - the fish are not scared..NL scares the heebie geebies out of most fish.. Here TP has more value. Pot odds an implied odds are more appropriate.

Tournaments are obviously very popular - the sad thing is that there is an optimum way to play these.They are a closed and well defined system. Ring games are mostly ill-conditioned which makes them a bit more interesting.

One part of me says that this poker boom will only last a few more months BUT the other side of me recogonises that humans gamble - and they gamble a lot-Ppl have played cards for hundreds or years.

I think NL will stay as the driver.. it is just too exciting and interactive not to be..But part of me knows that limit is actually a more refined game.The thing is that in NL a newbie can increase the volatilty of a gamew hich kills you thorugh rake in ring and may bust you out in a tourney.

Another thought about NL especially online is you can't see your opponent which makes it even crazier. At least in person you can get some tells. In limit you can make mistakes and not lose all your money.

Good info, now were getting somewhere. So like I thought there are too many people playing NL that should be playing limit instead. Also since there are a lot of bad players playing NL is great for the sharks to make a ton of cash. There must be enough bad players playing limit too since I do better at limit than NL. If I was really good a NL I could make more money but it's still crazy to play it online vs. live I think.