Was my thinking flawed

**dopemope223** · 08-24-2005

Was my thinking flawed here? the chip leader was calling and raising with anything, he called a AK pf with J3 for 5000 chips and won, he was doing that all night.. I felt the hand could be won.. with the cards i held

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (5 handed) converter

BB (t2960)
UTG (t8055)
MP (t8475)loose aggressive,calling station
Button (t1125)
Hero (t2090)

Preflop: Hero is SB with

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1 fold, MP calls t150, Button calls t150, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t600)

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: (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP checks, Button bets t975 (All-In), Hero calls t975, BB folds, MP calls t975.

Turn: (t3525)

(3 players, 1 all-in)
Hero checks, MP checks.

River: (t3525)

(3 players, 1 all-in)
Hero bets t965 (All-In), MP calls t965.

I'll post the results later...
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**Marm** · 08-24-2005

Considering a 6 or T beats you, and he could have one of those... I'm thinking this is a bad move. Your betting into a dry side pot.....

**nu2mdwst2** · 08-24-2005

i understand what you're thinking, but the CL isnt the only one in here...From what it looks like he either has a 10-weak kicker, he possibly hit an inside str8 draw?!? or maybe a 7, in which case you have him beat, but i think you lose to the button, and maybe take the side pot...8-9 isnt really the kind of hand you want to take your stand with, but i understand why you did it...(ironically enough, 8-9 suited is my fav. hand) let us know what happened soon, im interested to see

**nu2mdwst2** · 08-24-2005

Originally Posted by Marm

Considering a 6 or T beats you, and he could have one of those... I'm thinking this is a bad move. Your betting into a dry side pot.....

marm, if he called the first bet, i think the best thing for him to do here is push on the river when he pairs...he's not going to be able to do much with just 900 anyway, at least get in position to take a bigger stand and go for the money. i dont like the first call, but if you do that, at least try to salvage something when the 8 hits, but this is only because i put MP on a 7 or a 5 and you know he's calling with anything...

on a side note, nothing pisses me off more than when people bluff into dry side pots...not saying that it happened here, but just came to me

**slp** · 08-24-2005

Originally Posted by nu2mdwst2

marm, if he called the first bet, i think the best thing for him to do here is push on the river when he pairs...he's not going to be able to do much with just 900 anyway, at least get in position to take a bigger stand and go for the money. i dont like the first call, but if you do that, at least try to salvage something when the 8 hits, but this is only because i put MP on a 7 or a 5 and you know he's calling with anything...

on a side note, nothing pisses me off more than when people bluff into dry side pots...not saying that it happened here, but just came to me

i agree with you, you have to fold on the flop but might as well push this river

**Beavis68** · 08-24-2005

if you are gonna push anywhere, do it on the flop.

the river is terrible, you are only getting called by a hand that beats you most times.

**dopemope223** · 08-24-2005

alright i'm going to post the results because i feel that beavis found the error in this hand.. but i'm sure with an implied call from MP that i was getting correct pots odds to call, hear me out.
When the person on the button went all in after everyone checked the flop to him i felt that he was just trying to steal the pot, that gave me 8 outs for the oesd and 6 outs to pair.. Beavis was right, i've should pushed here (and if i did i probabley would of won the hand)... BUt..After i called and the chip leader called i felt that he had part of the flop but didn't have top pair.. which still left me with 14 outs.. 14x2x2=56% which is better then 2-1 pots odds,,
after the 8 came on the turn i felt that i was leading the hand with a better pair to the chip leader..but heres the final results.
the shorts stack....A3 off, has ace high
me......pair of 8's
chip leader... two pair 7 and 8
i guess i didn't see the 8, but i also think if i pushed after the flop it woulda put more pressure on the chip leader to fold..
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**bonchkid** · 08-25-2005

MP had 55?
Push if you don't fold the flop(which you should)

**PJ of TheGame** · 08-25-2005

Ya, I would have folded the flop. You're not getting the right odds on the call even if you can see the turn and river ... and you may not get to since there's two active players behind you. It could actually wind up costing you 2k to win 3600 if one of them pushes you all-in. That's a lot less then you need for an OESD.

**helmuthpoker201** · 08-25-2005

Either fold the flop or push. What does just calling accomplish that raising all in doesn't. If you raise all in, the CL would have probably folded too.

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