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Thread: Button : AQo

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    typically like someone else said i dont think the all-in steal is that good of a play either. It seems usually you get called by hands that dominate unless in this case when theres a big stack or loose maniac in the picture in which case it isnt that bad of a play. If i have a really small stack (lets say 8BBs or less) the table is really loose then i agree with the play in your case im not sure i do.... It can be debated whether or not your stack relative to the blinds is low enough to make this move...I dont think it is, but then again im prob a bit more patient then i should be in these situations.

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    If my math is correct you have an M of 12. This is by no means a desperate situation where you have to gamble on an all in with AQ.

    If your M was between 4 and 6 I would say this is a good play, but here just make your normal raise and hope you can take the pot on a later street. Sure there is a chance you may end up all in, but you have position, and if you miss the flop and the SB or BB makes a play for the pot you can get away from it with only your intial bet. Even if you raise 3XBB and then lose, your M is still a 9 which isn't great, but by no means desperate.

    I stick to my original read on this.

    Now if you were holding KK or AA, I like the "desperate blind steal" against a big stack because he may read a steal and call you with many hands that you have crushed.

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    you're setting yourself up to be bluffed on the flop. If a stack of 12BBs raises 3 BBs from the button I say this guy has a hand he doesn't want to risk his stack with. simple call and bet any ragged flop
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    Steve..........i am sticking with DH on this one. With an M of 12 he is not telling you to push all in with AQo..........you are playing your good hands same as always and giving up on your limp hands like suited connectors and such.

    I happen to agree. Not that the other way is wrong, it's just too much like rolling dice for me.

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    your M is not really 12 though, add in the antes and its costing you 2350 a round this round and probably over 3000 in 10 hands or so.

    If you wait for a better hand you may not get it until you have so little chips that doubling up is insignificant. And it probably won't be in as good a situation as folded to you on the button.
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    I didn't see any mention of antes........that would reduce his m and possible change my opinion of how to play this.

    I maintain if your M is 12......its not the best play

    M anywhere from 4-8 or so, I couldn't argue with it.

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    SB Calledwith KJ,

    but the BB re-raised all-in with AK (called by SB) and he won a huge pot.

    Maybe I play AQ too fast and/or I see myself in a too bad situation when my stack is relatively small.

    Why the hell when I have AK against AQ I loose but I don't win with AQ against AQ? I`ll keep my luck for lottery and win $100,000,000.

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    with your stack, everything but a fold is a excellent move. I'd even limp and call if he moves allin.
    btw, with antes he has a M of 5-7, don't remember how high they are at 600/1200
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    The only hands that I could see calling that you'd beat are maybe AJ and KQ. This is a gamble to get into the real money and I like the coin flip. You're really only scared of AA, KK, and QQ. Otherwise you're a 50/50 shot.

    The biggest factor that I see in my move is the weakness of the field and your chances to beat them. I wouldn't mind a small PF raise, so you don't feel forced to play to a raise. AQ is a hand that I like to see a flop when I hold it or make an effort to win the pot PF with position and no one in the pot yet.

    Yes, 3k is small in comparison to the blinds, but is a substantial portion of the stacks in play enough to make people give you information on the strength of people's hands. I'd raise, looking to fold to a re-raise unless a read on the player told me otherwise.
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    Hi, I'm new to this forum and I've been reading through everyones post and I just randomly picked a thread to post on to.

    Anyway, on the AQ raising on the button...i don't really like the play...the reason I don't like it is because I dont think that either blind is going to call you without a decent hand here. More than likely the SB with 70k isnt really willing to risk 15k to a coinflip to take someone out with over a 200 players left...maybe he is...I'm usually not quite ready yet at that point actually I'm never really ready for a coinflip, I hate them. The BB is definately not ready to risk the chips for a coinflip...and for the most part you can usually put a small stack on a decent hand, especially if he hasnt played in the last 14 hands (not sure if the people at the table knew that or if you literally just got there) so if these players are at least mediocre players I'm sure they are thinking these things.

    So, assuming they are not interested in coinflips, that only leaves a select few hands that they can reasonably call with imo, AA, KK, AK, and QQ...and maybe pairs down to 8's or 9's depending on the player. If they call with any of the first four hands I listed (which its almost inevitable that they would) you are more than likely done. I think AQ is very dangerous to raise too much with pre-flop...simply because all of the possible hands that would call you will beat you if your raise is a threatening one. When I am short stacked, especially with no antes...I like waiting for either a pair or small suited connectors to go all-in with pre-flop if im going to do that...just beause you will usually have live cards if you get callers (except for the pairs...but thats a little obvious) which at that point is what I usually want...a couple people in the pot to get some money if i do happen to flop that straight, flush, two pair, or even top pair sometimes. I just think is does you no good to raise a pretty large amount before the flop with a hand like AQ because if you get called your more than likely in trouble and if you don't get called, the blinds just arent helping you that much at this point if you do win them uncontested.

    Sorry for the long post I just felt like rambling...if you guys disagree let me have it. You seem like an intelligent bunch here

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    Last edited by kilfin; 09-02-2005 at 05:38 AM.

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