PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converter
UTG (t520)
Hero (t1340)
MP1 (t1480)
MP2 (t1575)
MP3 (t1360)
CO (t1400)
Button (t6515)
SB (t2470)
BB (t1540)
Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with,
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UTG raises to t90, Hero raises to t150, MP1 calls t150, 4 folds, SB calls t135, BB calls t120, UTG raises to t330, Hero calls t180, MP1 folds, SB calls t180, BB calls t180.
Flop: (t1470),
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(4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets t190 (All-In), Hero calls t190, SB folds, BB folds.
Turn: (t1850)(2 players, 1 all-in)
River: (t1850)(2 players, 1 all-in)
Final Pot: t1850
Results in white below:
UTG has Th Td (one pair, tens).
Hero has Jc Jd (three of a kind, jacks).
Outcome: Hero wins t1850.
I'll tell you what I was thinknig with this play after some conversation...It is fairly early in the tourney (round 2).
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Thread: Comments please???
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08-16-2005 #1
Comments please???
Trons
Originally Posted by Jason75
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08-16-2005 #2
I woulda pushed him all in...3 X BB...considering his stack was small I would put him on an Ax or mid pp - but can't say for sure, as I don;t how the table was, or how he was playing.
I'm gonna see the results, but once you hit that J, I'm sure it firmed up the win for you.
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08-16-2005 #3Check Raiser
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You're getting like 8-1 on your last call. With people behind you to act that may not be ideal... but both of them had checked allready. I dunno about calling the second raise from UTG preflop though.
Of course, I highly recommend not listening to anything I say
I am not feeling particularly smart tonite.
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08-16-2005 #4
I will say I took heat from the table about this play, but I thought it was a particularly astute read on my opponent.
Trons
Originally Posted by Jason75
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08-16-2005 #5Check Raiser
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The problem with the play is that the range of hands that's normally gonna raise you twice mostly has you crushed preflop (I'm guessing AA,KK,QQ... MAYBE AK, AQ). But having to call 180 into a 930 pot with a good PP I'm feeling okay... and feeling better when two more people give you just about enough odds just to draw on set value.
Then with the 8-1 odds after the flop, I think you have to call again.
The problem the whole way is the extra people in the pot... at any point one of them could have re-raised you and it would have been bad. They were playing passive the whole way though... if they've allready been doing this, I think the play is all right. Maybe just call instead of a re-raise preflop.
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08-16-2005 #6
It's tough to say though, he already taken a hit in his stack as it seems, and my guess would be more tilt than anything...I could be totally wrong here, but assuming the other called early PF with th big raise, that may cancel out the KJ, KQ AJ, etc...
If you're going to call his bet and leave him with 180 anyways, he's already commited. 8:1 of course I would call. Make it simple, all in PF, make him commit all before the flop and narrow the field. You gave the others an opportunity to see the flop with possible weak connectors.
Thisis all of course imho. But I do see what you are saying PJ...just not my way of going about it in this case...
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08-16-2005 #7Check Raiser
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So you'd raise to 520 from UTG+1 to isolate there?
I like that play too... didn't occur to me though. I guess that's why we read strategy forums
If you're saying to raise it all-in after he raises the second time... I don't know about that one. I'd only want to do it there if I thought there was a good chance all 3 limpers would drop out, and online I would hardly expect that to happen. If they'll fold weaker hands there then there's a good chance to get heads up for superb odds.
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08-16-2005 #8
Re-raise allin...unless those aren't Jacks and he doesn't only have 190 left after he re-raise?
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08-16-2005 #9
here's what I was thinking...His first raise was a good raise, but when I reraised him (the table had been fairly passive, didn't expect them to call 5bb raise) it was to isolate. That didn't work and I got fairly nervous, when he reraised I took a moment to think about range of hands he could have (for some reason I wasn't worried about the other players).
I ruled out AA, KK and QQ because his PF did leave him with such a small amount of chips. I figured somebody with those hands would have wanted to push all in (was in fact planning on pushing). I did put him on a pocket pair but once I had eliminated those top 3, I wasn't too worried about the rest. I don't think he was paying attention to how much he was re-raising, I think he just clicked a button. I was glad to see everybody fold (until I hit the trips of course
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When he went all in on the flop I didn't even think about calling, at this point it was such a small call to a large pot. I had already put him on a mid-pocket pair so it was an easy call.
The reason I was so proud of this hand was because it was one of the few I actually thought about my play seriously pre-flop and WAS RIGHT

I ask for comments because I thought him having the pair of 10's or less was obvious, but I took heat about calling the re-raise with just JJ. I got to wonder if my read was good or luck...Trons
Originally Posted by Jason75
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08-16-2005 #10PokerForums God
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I dont like your flat call, someone my call with KJ or Qx. You should have raised - use your position.
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