would you raise this river

**Steve Ruddock** · 08-16-2005

Texas Hold'em $2-$4 (real money), #1,175,089,555
Table Sioux Falls, 16 Aug 2005 6:04 PM ET
Seat 1: _BEPPE_ ($39 in chips)
Seat 2: k1rkl4j4 ($160 in chips)
Seat 3: 13962419 ($84 in chips)
Seat 4: Biggles z ($227.50 in chips)
Seat 5: Fake_Boobs ($103 in chips) Dealt

Seat 6: Pokergott111 ($111 in chips)
Seat 7: peter_mel ($151 in chips)
Seat 8: tiger_8 ($66.50 in chips)
Seat 9: maindefer ($53 in chips)
Seat 10: abe1952 ($14 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
tiger_8 posts blind ($1), maindefer posts blind ($2), Pokergott111 posts small blind ($1).

PRE-FLOP
abe1952 calls $2, _BEPPE_ folds, k1rkl4j4 folds, 13962419 bets $4, Biggles z calls $4, Fake_Boobs calls $4, Pokergott111 folds, peter_mel calls $4, tiger_8 folds, maindefer bets $4, abe1952 calls $4, 13962419 calls $2, Biggles z calls $2, Fake_Boobs calls $2, peter_mel calls $2.

***OK let me explain the table is real loose and likes to chase, if you hit you win a good pot. Hence my loose call with KJs***

FLOP [board cards

maindefer bets $2, abe1952 bets $4, 13962419 folds, Biggles z bets $6, Fake_Boobs bets $8, peter_mel calls $8, maindefer calls $6, abe1952 calls $4 and is all-in, Biggles z calls $2.

***OK perfect flop for me here lots of opponents cap is in order, though I am already concerned about a set****

TURN [board cards

maindefer checks, Biggles z bets $4, Fake_Boobs calls $4, peter_mel calls $4, maindefer calls $4.

***Its a brick but fortunately only 1 person bet***

RIVER [board cards

maindefer bets $4, Biggles z calls $4, Fake_Boobs calls $4, peter_mel folds.

***Great a new player bets Ace high flush???? + the boat possibility***

So my question is, Do you raise here??????

SHOWDOWN results in white
maindefer shows [ 2S,AS ]
abe1952 mucks cards [ KD,QS ]
Biggles z shows [ 2D,5D ]
Fake_Boobs shows [ KH,JH ]
Fake_Boobs wins $28, Fake_Boobs wins $75.

**NoManner** · 08-16-2005

I'm not sure I could honestly remember every street of play from this hand but if I could, I would definitely raise here based on 1) maindefer's turn check 2) biggle's river call and 3) peter_mel's complete inability to hit the raise button. Seems none of them were playing a strong two pair or a set. Honestly though, I would have forgotten the play by the river and just called.

**Beavis68** · 08-16-2005

WTF are you doing cold calling with KJs?

I like the flop raise, yeah I would go ahead and raise the river, but I would hate calling a 3-bet.

**Steve Ruddock** · 08-16-2005

I thought I explained the pre-flop call, I was sure it was going to be 5 to the flop and it turned out being 6.

i would call with any 2 suited with 1 gap here, 97, QT.

**Diggler** · 08-16-2005

Heh...funny table, eh?

I would bet out...do you honestly believe he may have had Boat or A High Flush? I would be really surprised if anyone did...

My honest thought would possibly be a pair from one of them...but no boats based on betting.

I'm going to read the results real quick...but I would bet out on the river for sure.

**Steve Ruddock** · 08-16-2005

The funniest part is the hands they actually had, this was about my 15th hand at this table so my reads were general. If this hand came up an hour later I would raise the river.

I would love to know what peter mel had that he called $8 cold on the flop with? an inside straight draw or an underpair?????

**Diggler** · 08-16-2005

Hmm..yea I read the results, I like the guy with the 2Ao the best...but the one with KQo comes a close 2nd...lol.

Great call here, and regardless you won the pot AND an extra 8 from the weiner who raised and the one who called.

Great hand Steve-O!

**PJ of TheGame** · 08-16-2005

maindefer was the only one who bet when the board paired, so he would be the only one to worry about with a boat... but his set would have to have been good on fourth and he checked. I think nobody has a boat, but he has a flush. Is it the nut flush? I'd raise.

I don't know WHAT the rest of these people had...

Edit- Now I do know what they had. LOL. That is all

**Steve Ruddock** · 08-16-2005

I would bet out...do you honestly believe he may have had Boat or A High Flush? I would be really surprised if anyone did

Iwas thinking Main defender had either A9/89/9T and tripped up or made a flush since he was a new bettor. Again this is what frightened me, the new bettor.

My river thinking is if I call petermel has to call so I win 3 bets, if I raise he folds and I may lose 1 of the other 2 also so I still win 3 bets. I don't know though I felt like I left $4 on the table this hand. Weird how this is bugging me

**Steve Ruddock** · 08-16-2005

diggs what about the guy woth 25s for 4 bets preflop

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