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    Default Trip Aces...

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) converter

    Hero (t1345)
    Button (t2345)
    SB (t1840)
    BB (t2130)
    UTG (t2405)
    UTG+1 (t1070)
    MP1 (t620)
    MP2 (t1695)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with , .
    UTG calls t30, 2 folds, MP2 raises to t60, Hero calls t60, 1 fold, SB calls t45, 1 fold, UTG calls t30.

    Flop: (t270) , , (4 players)
    SB checks, UTG checks, MP2 bets t90, Hero raises to t210, SB folds, UTG folds, MP2 calls t120.

    Turn: (t690) (2 players)
    MP2 checks, Hero checks.

    River: (t690) (2 players)
    MP2 bets t120, Hero raises to t450, MP2 calls t330.

    Final Pot: t1590

    Do you guys play this any differently? I'll post the results after.

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    Fold Preflop, Too easily dominated, not enough live cards. Nevermind thats a min bet, call that.

    Flop, ok, good info raise.

    Turn, good.

    River, Nope bad, flat call this.
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    I'm guessing MP2 had AQ (AJ even?), probably on suit on the combination of pre-flop raise and lack of re-raises (scared of King kicker). Whether you won the hand or not, I don't think there is any optimal way to play this hand. It is based on your perception of your opponents ability (would he fold lower than A-10 pre-flop?) and habits (does he generally slowplay his good hands? is he a blind stealer?). On easy tables, you can rape your opponent confidently with trip As, 10 kicker or not.

    A-10 off suit is not a great hand, but then it can give good pay-outs. Lately pocket rockets have given me nothing but pain ... and don't get me started on pocket bitches...
    Last edited by mthomas; 08-13-2005 at 08:57 PM.

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    I don't like the turn check. I think I fire again here as if he checkraises big I am pretty comfortable throwing it away and I don't mind winning the hand right now if he folds. If he just calls a turn bet you take a free showdown unless you get a ten.

    You don't have alot of outs to improve, basically 3 tens. There is no real draws on the board so there is a good chance he has Ax when he calls your flop raise. Another bet on the turn might induce him to fold a better hand, particularly AJ since he just called your flop raise, and also prevents him from hitting his X on the river for two pair if you are ahead. So checking the turn doesn't really help you since you only have 3 outs to improve and might induce a big bet by him on the river which then makes you have a tough decision.

    The ace I don't think changes anything as you are either way behind or way ahead before the river ace falls anyway. You are lucky he didn't bet bigger on the river (120 is pretty weak) as then you have a big decision to make. I think you just flat call the river in the way you played it.

    Bottom line is I try to end this hand on the turn and if I fail at that I take a free showdown. Avoids tough decisions, he could have made this a lot harder for you the way the hand was played.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marm
    Fold Preflop, Too easily dominated, not enough live cards. Nevermind thats a min bet, call that.

    Flop, ok, good info raise.

    Turn, good.

    River, Nope bad, flat call this.
    Marm, I'd be interested in hearing your analysis of the turn here and why you think it is a good check. I'm better at limit than no-limit, so I would like to know if you disagree with my analysis in my last post.

    In general, I'm more interested in checking behind here on the turn if it is a hand that I might improve drastically on the river. For example I flop a four flush and raise the flop and the turn is a blank so I check behind. That doesn't seem to really fit this hand since only the 3 tens really improve me here.
    Thoughts?

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    the buyin helps alot here

    marm he cant fold pf

    i would call the flop and see what he does on the turn. since you raised the flop, you need to bet the pot on the turn and if you dont take it down then you are beat. you showed alot of weakness by your check behind.

    it looks like you are beat here he prob has AQ. im not sure about the river. i dno if i raise there or if i just call. its pretty obvious he has an ace and i think he has you outkicked. i would probably just call the river
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    umm...just a thought i dont quite understand why the raise on the flop....if your trying to narrow down the field to one other guy then i guess its ok but then again u dont even know if your best here and theres no draws out there. Maybe you did it for information but if thats the case then it doesnt explain your river play. What aces do you beat aside from A7 or A8. I dont disagree with the PF call, dont see a problem with flat calling and trying to catch something to a min-raise. Also if your gonna raise the river why bother checking the turn. All your raising seems to be for value yet you dont know if your beat or not. The 3rd ace doesnt necessarily put you in a better spot then you were on the turn other then its a little less likely he has the last ace.

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    This is a tricky hand. MP 2 might have the case A with a 9 giving him Aces up after the flop and a boat on the river. If he had AJ-AQ-AK, you are also dead. The trouble is, I would not be able to put him on a hand worse than A9. I would have flat called on the river. My judgement may be influenced by the fact that I have lost numerous pots when holding A10 against the case A with a better kicker. I am very curious to hear how this turned out.

    Best Regards,

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    Yeah, I said that JK, but it was a flow of thought thing there... didnt see it was a min raise, if it had been a decent sized raise, then this is a insta-fold.

    First, we dont have any history on this guy, so this may be just feined weakness to get action, and he got it. We know hes got at LEAST A2o. He could really have anything from A2-AK, AA (ok not on the river, but its the process that counts). And AT is on the bottom threshold of hands that a lot of weaktight players will raise with PF, and given the 926 on the board, we are about 50/50 that we are now outkicked. His actions imply weaktightness. Therefore, I think there is a good chance we are beat. So I'm going to try and see a showdown as cheap as possible here.
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    Well, he had AQ.

    I raised after the flop for information. If he reraises me there, I'm gone. The call told me he probably had an ace. The check on the turn seemed a bit suspicious to me, and I thought I'd let him make his statement on the river. He bet such a small amount on the river, I figure I had him outkicked. I thought if he had AK, AQ, AJ, A9, then after the check-raise situation didn't work out on the turn, he would bet big on the river. The raise on the river was simply to get more money from him since he would call with Ax probably. That was my thought process.

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