Over sometime now either on TV or playing online I have come across some tricky plays. Wether it be in NL or limit it's kinda the same deal. Say in limit your middle position with AJs and the guy UTG raised it. The bet is to you wether anyone else called the raise or not and you have decided to call regardless if you should or not. So, instead of just calling you re raise to now 3 BB's. The theory behind this is one, make the guy who raised think you have even a stronger hand (of course he could have aces and may or maynot cap it when it comes around for deception). Two, it's easier to protect your hand since the BB will often call just one more bet to see the flop and you don't know if anyone else if going to re raise so you do it to make sure.
Then the flop comes and say there are 3 people who are in, the guy UTG, one guy in front and then myself who re raised. So the first 2 guys check and I bet. Then the first guy check raises me and the next guy folds to me. Here is the next scenario, though I didn't hit the flop but bet out anyhow like most people do. The flop is say K,4,10 rainbow where I have an inside straight, backdoor flush and one over card. It's very possible this guy doesn't have anything either right now but it's hard to argue with it since you don't. Since the pot odds won't be that great vs. my outs I will probably give it up. BUT, you might play back if you think he doesn't have anything either, now were playing poker!
Now in a similar situation but this time the flop is A,4,Q (top pair decent kicker) the guy who check raised before just calls and the same guy folds to me. We now see the turn and the card is an 8 with now no flush draw possible. He checks and I bet again but this time he check raises. Hmmm, does he have me out kicked, top 2 pair, trip 4's or an inside straight draw and semi bluffing? At this point I'm either going to fold or re raise to find out what is really going on (I think a lot of times this is a bluff). Just calling puts him in the lead and being lost.
Then the next situation is straight forward. The BB is raised and there are 3 people in to see the flop. The first guy checks (who raised it pre flop), the second guy bets out right and the last guy folds. Regardless if the other guy folds, checks, calls or re raises this same guy will always if not bet to him after the flop takes a stab at the pot no matter what. This way you never know when he has something or when he doesn't and he could win the pot right there. This isn't a bad play IMO based on 3 people in and he can always fold if re raised and he doesn't have anything.
What are your thoughts?
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Thread: Tricky plays...not in books???
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08-12-2005 #1River Rat
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Tricky plays...not in books???
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08-12-2005 #2
UTG min raises and you minreraise with AJs? Why?
“There's no sense in being precise when you don't even know what you're talking about.” - John von Neumann
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08-12-2005 #3
Limit...
Originally Posted by bonchkid
However Learn, that is 3 small bets PF, not big bets. You also have to let us know if they just called your bets, or if one of them capped. However, I'm folding AJs to a raise...It will prevent you from getting into that mess on the flop.Last edited by Announced Tilt; 08-12-2005 at 04:12 PM.
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08-12-2005 #4
Wtf " guy raises to 3bb" Sounded like NL to me..
“There's no sense in being precise when you don't even know what you're talking about.” - John von Neumann
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08-12-2005 #5
Yea, he's talking limit. He meant 3bet, in which case in was small bets since it was PF.
Originally Posted by LearnPoker
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08-12-2005 #6
What is this limit of which he speaks?
Limits? We don't need no stinking limits.
Honestly...limit is foreign to me...does anyone ever fold?
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08-12-2005 #7
Limit is an art, just as NL is, but they are different arts. And IMHO, a player cannot be an expert in one, without being competent in the other. There are different elements tot he game, but not understanding the fundamentals of each will not help your game.
Marm is back, maybe. Been off for 3 years. Rusty as Hell.
Luck is a Residue of Design.
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08-12-2005 #8Fish
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no limit is the cadillac of poker...
limit is more of a rusty taurus...
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08-12-2005 #9
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08-12-2005 #10
Obviously this is coming from a player who can't beat limit.
Originally Posted by 1MFirm
Marm is back, maybe. Been off for 3 years. Rusty as Hell.
Luck is a Residue of Design.
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