Okay, this is why I died today. :sigh:: I didn't lose all my chips but I never recovered. Thoughts? Comments? Insults?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (9 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

UTG+1 (t845)
MP1 (t2040)
MP2 (t1790)
Sunfrog (t3190)
CO (t1085)
Button (t980)
SB (t1140)
BB (t5425)
UTG (t2255)

Preflop: Sunfrog is MP3 with , .
UTG calls t50, UTG+1 calls t50, 1 fold, MP2 calls t50, Sunfrog calls t50, 1 fold, Button calls t50, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t350) , , (7 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets t50, MP2 raises to t150, Sunfrog calls t150, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t100.

Turn: (t800) (3 players)
UTG+1 bets t50, MP2 raises to t1590, Sunfrog calls t1590, UTG+1 calls t595 (All-In).

River: (t4625) (3 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t4625
Main Pot: t2735 (t2735), between UTG+1, MP2 and Sunfrog. > Split: UTG+1 (t1367.50), MP2 (t1367.50).
Pot 2: t1890 (t1890), between MP2 and Sunfrog. > Pot won by MP2 (t1890).

Results in pink below:
UTG+1 has Td Jd (one pair, jacks).
MP2 has Ts Jc (one pair, jacks).
Sunfrog has 7s Qs (high card, queen).
Outcome: MP2 wins t3257.50. UTG+1 wins t1367.50.

Originally Posted by bonchkid

Fold preflop. Fold the flop. Fold the turn. You bombed every street.

Bonch is exactly right but I was trying to be gentle and just addess the turn....

P.S. Everybody's play here on every street is pretty suspect but UTG+1 I think wins the "worst" prize, especially that shortstacked.

Ya, that's truly terrible. You're playing utter trash from middle position.

You call the bet on the flop with less then the needed outs... and when your flush may not even be good if you hit it.

You call a turn bet with even worse odds for a significant portion of your stack.

My advice? 1. Play suited ACES sometimes for the flush draw... suited queens will just wind up getting you stacked. 2. Learn what pot odds are... and use them in these situations.

Let me clarify. I played Q7s from middle because it was only 50 to me and I had 3190. Queen high flush isn't so bad. And it's only 50. That's why no fold pre-flop.

I had 4 to a flush on the flop and the pot was 550 when it got to me. 150x4=600. I almost have pot odds and if UG+1 calls I do. So no fold there. He did call btw and I had 4:1 odds to chase my flush.

The turn. MP2 bets 1590. MP2 beat me out of a big pot earlier in the game and I wanted revenge. Plus. now I have straight and flush possibilities. Four spades and 4,5,7,8. I also have a queen that will give me an overpair. Total outs 16, I think. I need 2:1 pot odds to call. I don't have it but 2:1 odds is too good to fold and I can kill two players in one blow. Plus if I win I might make the final table, if I lose I still have chips left. This is my hand, if I win, I'm in. No folding here.

The river, two of clubs. Wth!? Grrr! I had 16 outs! No bets. I died.

Originally Posted by Sunfrog

Let me clarify. I played Q7s from middle because it was only 50 to me and I had 3190. Queen high flush isn't so bad. And it's only 50. That's why no fold pre-flop.

That's a poor line of thinking. Your post is a perfect example of why you don't play Q7s in MP.

Originally Posted by Sunfrog

Plus. now I have straight and flush possibilities. Four spades and 4,5,7,8. I also have a queen that will give me an overpair. Total outs 16, I think.

WHAT?????? I am going to stop being nice if this thread continues.