I have questions about this hand that I will reveal at the end of my post. I am going to tell you what each player (involved in the hand) had so that you dont have to go back when i tell you at the end.

No limit texas holdem cash game: Limits are 25/50

Cards are dealt, a bunch of people fold to me.

I see that i have , i raise to 100. I have 2500 in chips.

The dealer is dealt . He is the Chip leader with 6000 in chips. He calls.

The small blind is dealt and calls. Only has 2000 in chips.

Flop is

Small blind checks her flush draw,

I bet out 200 hoping no one has the queen.

Dealer raises to 400 with his flush draw and pair.

Small blind goes all in for 1800.

I fold.

Dealer calls.

The next two cards are blanks, dealer wins with his pair of 6s, i punch a wall because I would have won 4000 with my 9s had I stayed in.

My question is, do you think it was wrong for the Dealer to call the all in with JUST a flush draw (and a pair... but w/e)?
Think I should have stayed in?
Think the small blind with the flush draw was right to go all in the first place?

Keep in mind this is a cash game.
Keep in mind also that the dealer (also the chip leader) had been pushing players around with his big stack.

Well, the pair certainly makes the hand stronger. However, there is no way I call this in a cash game. I don't call it with 9s. I don't push with 78. I don't call with 56 or 78 PF. Also, you really shouldn't think of the guy as a "chip leader." This is not a tournament.

And don't tell us their hands or give the final results. This is strategy and we try to analyze the hand as if we were actually playing it.

Originally Posted by Announced Tilt

And don't tell us their hands or give the final results. This is strategy and we try to analyze the hand as if we were actually playing it.

Dont tell you their hands? I assume you mean only tell you my starting hand. The reason i didn't it that way is because I didn't really play that much of an important role in the hand other than I was in it.

"Well, the pair certainly makes the hand stronger. However, there is no way I call this in a cash game. "

Glad you agree, thats what I thought. The odds were against him.

"I don't call it with 9s."

Agree here as well.

"I don't push with 78."

I can see why she pushed in with a flush draw. She put either me or the dealer on a queen (or high cards, a higher pair, or something better than that). All of these hands have the same odds for a flush draw generally. Theres already like 1000 in the pot, so if she goes all in with 1800 she's going to almost double up if we all fold (1.5 up more like) and if one of us calls she will have decent odds to win about 5000.

This is why I said "keep in mind that the 'chip leader' was bullying people around with his big stack" because she knew that he could be raising with alot of hands.

"I don't call with 56 or 78 PF."

Suited connectors are worth calling an extra 100 before the flop. The "chip leader" called it because he had more than enought money too (and cause he was playing loose at the time) and the SB called it because with 3 in the pot those are good pot odds for a drawing hand.

"Also, you really shouldn't think of the guy as a "chip leader." This is not a tournament."

I call him chip leader cause he has the most chips at our table, referring to him with that name reminds you that he has more chips than anyone else. And I think its better than saying he's just "the dealer"

I think you are playing above your skill level. I can't see many good players punching walls over this.

Also, you didn't mention how many players are sitting down. This is a very easy fold.

Suited connectors are not hands you play to raises. Get in cheap, or get out.

And you talk about the guy doubliing up and such. You are really talking about this like it is a tournament. None of these plays are correct in cash games.

I may be totally wrong, but I think he means they were playing a tournament for cash.....otherwise, whats with the chip stacks? Are these pennies?

The dealer didnt have JUST a flush draw, he had a pair and a flush draw as well as an open-ended runner runner straight-draw.

Against most hands, he is better than 50/50. If he is against KQ or AQ or such, he has 2 sixes, 3 fives, and 9 diamonds for outs - plus a little value for the back-door. 14 outs twice is a pretty good hand.

And why are you min raising with pocket nines? What is the purpose of that bet?

Originally Posted by Announced Tilt

Suited connectors are not hands you play to raises. Get in cheap, or get out.

Ok, she's in the small blind and its only going to cost her 75 more to call to win a pot that will be 350 (if she calls). Thats REALLY good pot odds for a drawing hand like that.
As for the dealer calling with a 56 suited, he's just a loose player. Its a good strategy for someone who has alot of chips to play with. I mean, if everyone only raised/called raises with hands like AA or KK then the game would be way to easy.

"And you talk about the guy doubliing up and such. You are really talking about this like it is a tournament. None of these plays are correct in cash games."

Well, the same terms apply to cash games like they do to tournaments, but they just mean something a bit different. Chip leader is still the guy with the most chips on the table, but in a cash game it just means that he has alot of money and might change his game up. When I talk about her doubling up, i'm just talking about the type of chips she will get if me and him folded, justifying her raise.

Really the reason I wrote this post is because right after the hand the person that lost all her money got mad because he called with that kind of a hand. And the more I think about it now, the more I agree. Because in the "chip leaders" point of view, the person going all in either had a queen or a draw. She's probably not bluffing since BOTH me and him raised. Against his second pair/flush a queen would win the hand more than 50% of the time. Against a draw (you have to assume if she had any flush draw it would be higher than a 6) he is ahead but with only a 5 6 you have to be looking at two over cards and obviously the better draw so that means she has like 13 outs? She's going to hit that a little bit over 50%.

So the only reason I can think that he called the hand was because he was just like "i feel like gambling", since he's only going to lose this hand like 50-55% of the time.

Originally Posted by Beavis68

The dealer didnt have JUST a flush draw, he had a pair and a flush draw as well as an open-ended runner runner straight-draw.

Against most hands, he is better than 50/50. If he is against KQ or AQ or such, he has 2 sixes, 3 fives, and 9 diamonds for outs - plus a little value for the back-door. 14 outs twice is a pretty good hand.

And why are you min raising with pocket nines? What is the purpose of that bet?

The 2 sixes and 3 fives would give him the better hand in that situation, but at the same time the KQ has 5 outs to make herself 2 pair if he caught a 6 or a 5. When you calculate it out he is the underdog against a top pair hand like that. (or i dont know, someone show me their math and prove me wrong, because proving me wrong would solve the arguement quicker)

As for raising with pocket 9s... i dont know. I didn't feel like just calling it, and if a hand like Q 6 4 comes up I can bluff that I hava a queen and they might think I have it since I raised before the flop. Even if I dont have the queen i'm still ahead if they dont. Probably not the best move, but still justifiable.

according to two dimes, is 53% to beat

No matter the suits, it is close to 50/50, and given the money on the pot, a call is justified - actually, I think he should have raised you. Raising is much better than calling.

What were you trying to accomplish with your raise though?

I think a raise is fine, but you didn't raise enough.