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  1. #1
    Chaser Sunfrog's Avatar
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    Default Bad beat or bad me?

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (7 handed) converter

    saw flop|saw showdown

    MP2 (t1500)
    CO (t1360)
    Button (t4520)
    SB (t1480)
    BB (t1500)
    UTG (t3140)
    Sunfrog (t1500)

    Preflop: Sunfrog is MP1 with , .
    UTG calls t20, Sunfrog raises to t60, 1 fold, CO calls t60, Button calls t60, 1 fold, BB calls t40, UTG calls t40.

    Flop: (t310) , , (5 players)
    BB checks, UTG checks, Sunfrog bets t200, CO calls t200, Button calls t200, BB folds, UTG folds.

    Turn: (t910) (3 players)
    Sunfrog bets t700, CO raises to t1100, Button folds, Sunfrog calls t400.

    River: (t3110) (2 players)

    Final Pot: t3110

    Results in white below:
    Sunfrog has Ac Kd (two pair, aces and kings).
    CO has Ah 4c (straight, five high).
    Outcome: CO wins t3110.

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    The only thing I can think of is that you didn't raise enough before the flop only 3X the BB. 4X is generally good, although i dont think he would have folded either way.

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    i like how you played this, pretty much. i'd have probably raised to 80 rather than 60, but i don't think that guy was going anywhere anyhow and that's probably just a preference thing. he shouldn't have called preflop, should have known he was beat on the turn for sure and folded simply because his kicker was bad and it was only an inside straight draw if his ace wasn't good, which it was pretty clear it wasn't, and i'm pretty sure his push was a bad semi bluff. he just got lucky and caught one of only four outs on the river. i think this one is bad luck.

    edit: haha kirb didn't read your post before putting up this one; not trying to copy your preflop analysis. pretty funny that i said basically the exact same thing though.
    Last edited by missy; 08-07-2005 at 02:05 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by missy
    i like how you played this, pretty much. i'd have probably raised to 80 rather than 60, but i don't think that guy was going anywhere anyhow and that's probably just a preference thing.. he shouldn't have called preflop, should have known he was beat on the turn for sure and folded simply because his kicker was bad and it was only an inside straight draw, and i'm pretty sure his push was a bad semi bluff. he just got lucky and caught one of only four outs on the river. i think this one is bad luck.

    edit: haha kirb didn't read your post before putting up this one; not trying to copy your preflop analysis. pretty funny that i said basically the exact same thing though.
    Missy... you ****er! Nah j/k hehe.

    I would like to add something though, i didn't realize that you bet agressivly after the flop. What did this guy think you had? It was A 2 5, you aren't going to raise with a 2 or a 5. And you aren't going to bet big on the flop with an ace on the table unless you have an ace (or you are bluffing, but I would have put you on an ace). Either this guy is just stupid and didn't think these things through and just thought you were bluffing or he just wanted to fish for his straight. Either way, bad beat.

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    I think he hit a pair of aces, thought it was good and wouldn't have layed it down regardless.
    Total fish.

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    Well, thats obvious. But what i'm saying is that a good player would have figured out that the guy had an ace after the 2nd bet and the odds his kicker is higher would be good enough to warrent a fold. But they guy was a bad player and assumed the guy was bluffing

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    Quote Originally Posted by agentkirb
    Missy... you ****er! Nah j/k hehe.


    What happened to the Ace of Diamonds? I need it.
    Hmm... so 4 x BB then? Okay, I can do that.
    What if I'm low on chips tho? Do I still do 4x's?
    If I'm low on chios should I still be aggressive?
    Or should I be aggressive only when I can afford to lose some?
    hahaha ha. I said chios

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    In a NL online tourney I like to be even more aggressive than that with my AK. Its nice, but you have to remember that it is still a drawing hand. I don't really want to get action on it. If I am in early position and expect to be out of position I will raise anywhere from 4 to 6 BB depending on the way the table has been playing. I am basically betting whatever has been causing people to fold.

    If I am in late position and know I will have position I will lower my raise because I don't mind playing a high drawing hand with position.

    I think this guy would have gone away with the higher PF raise.

    Regardless....he was a moron who got paid off for sticking around when he should have folded....Look for him in the future, he will pay you off more often than he lays a bad beat on ya.

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