First time it happens to me...

Usualy when I see the aberage stack is too big, I quit rebuying.

But yester days I took a huge hit 2 minutes before the break having my all in called for 7K by KK... I had AA but he hit.

I was sitting on 1200 chips at the break with an average stack of 4000+ (this tournament was a bit crazy. edit: 1200 after my rebuy... had 200 before.

Do I add-on, or it dosent worth it?
I did and went out pretty early... I think it was the move, but not sure.

KJ

Originally Posted by Marm

It is always +EV (within the tourney) to rebuy too, regardless of the average stack. Ex. If your 1k TC rebuy would put 100,000 TC in play, then you now have a 1% chance if winning. But if you dont rebuy, you have a 0% chance of winning.

It doesn't work like that. Say you put in 50 dollars and recieve 1/20th of the chips (20 man tourny) you lose half way through and so have like 9 other people, and those 9 decided to buy in. So if you but in you will pay 50 dollars but now you recieve 1/30th of the chips (20 man +10 rebuys). Is it worth trying to win your original 50 dollars back (plus more money obv) or is it more worthwhile to start a new tournament and go with the same original 1/20 odds you started with? In this case it would be worth it to rebuy. Once it gets past 1/40 odds you should probably stop.

This theory works similarly to the pot odds theory. What Marm says up there would be like saying "Well, i have a 10% chance of catching a card to win, but if I fold then i have a 0% chance, so i should stay in." With that theory you should call every hand no matter what because there is always a chance that you will win.

Now if you dont care about losing money, and you just want to have fun, I would buy in a couple more times. But if you are all about the money and want to win, you have to think about the odds.

PS. Whats +EV mean? Might change things in my reasoning.

Originally Posted by Marm

When you learn math, then you can start refuting my posts (and, cosndering I stole this) Sklansky too.

First Notice I was refering to within the one tourny itself. No mentipon of outside events. Within one event, there is no reason not to rebuy.

Secondly, this it TOTALLY different than pot odds. In pot odds, you have deck odds vs pot odds. This is just an extrapolation of your chacnes of winning an event based on your current stack size. There are NO pot odds in your decision to rebuy.

And If you're all about winning money, you should think about retaking 8th grade algebra.

Don't forget to Cold Call with A2o either... its a great hand.

I'm not saying that theres Pot odds in re-buys. But i'm saying its similar because your odds of winning go way down if you rebuy in at 2K chips and everyone else has an average of 4K. You can rebuy and you will still have a chance of winning, but you might as well join another tournament with that 20 dollars and you will have a better chance. If the tournament you are in is the only one that day, then that might change things (if you play online, there are always tournaments obviously).

I'm sorry I acted like an a-hole, but since you didn't really get into the strictly math part of re-buys and why it works all the time I just figured that you were throwing stuff out based on your experience and not what was mathmatically sound. Cause I know alot of people will just re-buy because of the rush of poker and not because of the mathmatical probability behind it. So i'm going to say this now: you were right, I was wrong (atleast you better be right, if it turns out I was right all along, you are going to get it lol) sorry for being an a-hole.

Now as for the A-2 arguement. I'm going to call a 40 chip bet with A2 if I have 1500. When someone raises 4 times the BB they dont always have a monster hand, some people raise with suited connectors, 2 random high cards, or 2 connecting cards like 9 10 that are high enough to stick around with. If everyone played by the book and only raised with premium hands (hands better than A 10) then it would be way to easy to for someone to take advantage of that. I will give it to you that if I tight player raises or I'm in early position then i would probably fold A2, but otherwise i'll probably stay in.

Originally Posted by agentkirb

If everyone played by the book and only raised with premium hands (hands better than A 10) then it would be way to easy to for someone to take advantage of that. I will give it to you that if I tight player raises or I'm in early position then i would probably fold A2, but otherwise i'll probably stay in.

According to 'the book' (at least the ones I've read), 'premium' hands are AA, KK, AKsuited. Anything else is either good, marginal, or shite.

Okay, 'the book' doesn't actually say 'shite', it says 'trash', but where I come from we say 'shite'. Or 'rubbish.'

And it may only be 40 chips, but calling a 4x BB raise with A2 is crazy! Muck that shite!!

Kirb........

I am curios. When you play A2 offsuit, what flop are you hoping for that will malke you jump up out of your seat and say "Yowza!"

Are you looking for an ace? Hope not, because someone else has one and you are outkicked.

Are you looking for a 2? I sure hope not. bottom pair top kicker is trash when every possible card to fall is an over to your pair.

What about 345? hmm..with all those limpers someone could be playing 67 suited. Now what? You have the idiot end of the straight and someone could put a hurting on you.

Do you now get why this is not a good hand? There just aren't many flops that will make you have an easy decision that won't conceivably cost you all of your chips.