Did I play this wrong?

**fattback** · 07-17-2005

i am wondering if my preflop bet should of been higher. Should i have bet higher after the flop? Maybe I didnt stand a chance from the begininng, I think he was going to call what ever I bet. I certainly didnt put him on J 10, even though it should have been considered. I myself wouldnt call those bets with that hand.I guess I am to tight of a player.

PokerStars Game #2127929512: Tournament #9858512, Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2005/07/17 - 23:11:04 (ET)
Table '9858512 79' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: MLStreets (7280 in chips)
Seat 2: Luggnutt-6 (3155 in chips)
Seat 3: BjornBorg (3410 in chips)
Seat 4: Grondinatos (3070 in chips)
Seat 5: mustangcory (5095 in chips)
Seat 6: fattback (2640 in chips)
Seat 7: "CAJUN BEAT" (2763 in chips)
Seat 8: giusi (6382 in chips)
Seat 9: Raidafan (1380 in chips)
mustangcory: posts small blind 50
fattback: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to fattback

"CAJUN BEAT": folds
giusi: folds
Raidafan: folds
MLStreets: folds
Luggnutt-6: folds
BjornBorg: raises 200 to 300
Grondinatos: folds
mustangcory: folds
fattback: raises 200 to 500
BjornBorg: calls 200
*** FLOP ***

fattback: bets 500
BjornBorg: calls 500
*** TURN ***

fattback: bets 1640 and is all-in
BjornBorg: calls 1640
*** RIVER ***

fattback said, "nh"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
fattback: shows

(two pair, Aces and Kings)
BjornBorg: shows

] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
BjornBorg collected 5330 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5330 | Rake 0
Board [Kc Qs 7c Ah 7s]
Seat 1: MLStreets folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Luggnutt-6 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: BjornBorg showed [Tc Jd] and won (5330) with a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 4: Grondinatos (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: mustangcory (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: fattback (big blind) showed [As Kd] and lost with two pair, Aces and Kings
Seat 7: "CAJUN BEAT" folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: giusi folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Raidafan folded before Flop (didn't bet)

**bonchkid** · 07-17-2005

I don't like the min-raise. I'd probly put in a healthy re-raise facing a raise from the cutoff. Between 700-1000. IA flop like this is scary to you, lots of draws out there. Betting 1/2 the pot is NOT the way to go. I'd consider just pushing the flop. You need to bet at least 3/4 of the pot here. Maybe a full pot. The turn is fine if you get there. It happens.

**Chip Leader** · 07-17-2005

Well your not healthy in chips and you saw a king and you have the best kicker. Theres no other way to put it..it was either all-in or fold. he would've bet and you would've sordov feel pot commited. SO You did ok in my book

**Jack King off** · 07-17-2005

PF was horrible! you cant min raise with AK out of position yikes!

you can play pf a couple of ways. i might have just called and c/r the flop if you hit. you also could have raised to 1k and you are pushing almost every flop unless you hit big. also i might have just pushed pf

on the flop i prob c/r all in. since you didnt c/r you need to bet alot more than 500. the board was draw heavy pot was ~1100 and you have 2k left. im ok with just pushing there, but 500 was def not near enough

turn is fine just unlucky

**ACEDUECE** · 07-18-2005

Hi fattback,in my opinion preflop wasn't terrible but your half size bet after the flop was not good.You have to bet enough to try and shut this guy off the draw.I think you should have moved in right here and hope this guy has some pot odds sense and will fold the draw.If he calls here he is almost out so he would probally think twice but like you said he might call anyway.Some have no clue when calling draws.But this is the chance you take.A half pot bet here gives this guy incentive to call getting the right price.

Moving in after the ace hits the turn is even worse if you think he was on a draw.You may as well just check here and be done with it if he moves all in.The first mistake compounded the second one.But hey we all make bad plays just remember to bet enough to make the call unprofitable if you put your man on a draw.If he calls at least you know you had the best of it going in.GL AT THE TABLES

**Beavis68** · 07-18-2005

Unless you are an expert post-flop, I would be very tempted to go all-in with AK here.

Your min raise was the worst option, you already are heads-up, so either put in a bet big enough to win it (900-min), or call.

You need to put in at least a pot-sized bet on that flop. If that is close to half your stack - all-in.

**Jack King off** · 07-18-2005

aceduece your advice is very bad. pf was horrible and the turn was good

i guess your flop advice is ok, but the rest was really bad.

**ACEDUECE** · 07-18-2005

Hi kingjack,well i would have put a bigger reraise preflop but i don't think his small reraise is horrible, as a reraise this size can get you a bit of information if the guy just calls as he does, which makes it unlikely he is holding a high pocket.As far as the turn goes in my opinion your way off base.Once this guy just calls the small flop bet its almost a given he is on a draw or a trap.It makes no sense moving in after the turn as your most likely only getting a call from a hand your beat by,which is exactly what happened.You have to give yourself a chance to fold here as you still have only $1000 invested after making the bad flop bet.As this hand played out your making it sound like the ace was a good turn card.Its an absolutely horrible card the way this hand was played on the flop.Moving in after the turn is only making things worse as i said and i stick by that.These things are about survival not who has the biggest balls.GL AT THE TABLES

**Steve Ruddock** · 07-18-2005

I agree with ACEDUECE the poorly played part of the hand is postflop. Coordinated flop like that with 1K in the pot and sitting on 2100 more I'm pushing all in. whats a safe card here? 2,3,4,5,6,8 with no club, get your money in now to cut down on odds, if he calls anyway so be it you got your money in ahead

**Diggler** · 07-18-2005

Hmm...I'm not sure the PF min raise was that bad, b/c he could have made up for it Post Flop i bet properly. I just woulda bet more Post Flop to ensure he wasn't getting the right odds to call. Still kinda tough going for both straights, and the fact he prolly still woulda chased. Guess only you will know if based on how the play went up until this hand if he woulda folded with a much larger PF raise...do you think he honestly woulda folded with a 800, 1000 raise?

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