I was playing 4/8 HE at the local boat today, and the following happened. I'd liketo hear if this was a bad fold, and why, math-wise. At the time, my feeling was that I was definitely behind, so I tossed 'em in. Here's the hand...

I get KhKs on the button.

UTG (loose idiot) calls $4, 2 mid-guys (loose idiots) call $4, woman behind me (tight, ok player) calls $4, I raise to $8.

SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls, 1 idiot calls, woman calls. Pot = $42

Flop: Ac 6c Qc

BB bets $4, UTG folds, idiot calls, woman calls, I fold the kings.

I know the knowledgable people here will say that this was a stupid laydown because of the odds. I think I made a bad play, because this sort of "I have huge cards that are very obviously beat at this moment" situation causes me to balk. I have no clubs, there is an A up, and there are 27 people in the stupid hand, so I just immediately mucked it w/o a thought to the odds, to be honest.

Lame, I know, but could someone explain the math in some detail for me? Am I right in thinking that I should have called the $4 even though I was certain that I was behind?

BTW the turn was a K, and the winner ended up being the woman, holding AJ IIRC...no flush, just top pair.

i would have raised it more befoe the flop, but in the same situation i think that that is a good fold.

Originally Posted by zapper1000

i would have raised it more befoe the flop, but in the same situation i think that that is a good fold.

limit. if it was NL there wouldn't be this topic and he would've raised it 270x bb or whatever and won money

Originally Posted by Diggler

Still getting odds to call though...I woulda called.

not really, he's getting 15-1 (about) on his money, and he's drawing (hopefully) to one card

Just because you would have gotten lucky you still made the right laydown... easy laydown actualy.

I honestly don't know what you are regretting here, this is the easiest fold in the world. Heads up, fine, raise it on the flop and play around a little. But against multiple people >95% you are beat and drawing to one out at best. It doesn't matter what the pot odds are if you are drawing practically dead. Especially in limit, because if you make your longshot the amount you can extract is limited.
If you cap it preflop with pocket eights against ten players and the flop comes QKA all hearts you don't call because of "pot odds". Give it up and move on to the next hand.

no way you can call, like they said, you only have 1 out, and that is only a partial out.

Even if you hit the Kd, you could still be up against a flush, or you will lose to a flush on the river 17% of the time or so. You Kd diamonds is probably worth .6 or so outs.