I'm sure most of you have already either already read this, or already knew this through other sources. I didn't and I found this incredibly enlightening and I thought it would be a great idea to share for begining players like myself. http://www.playwinningpoker.com/articles/01/13.html
While I considered myself a thinking player, this article pointed out that, more then anything, I wanted to be a parrot then a thinker. I also realized that I'm going to have to start actually thinking, more then repeating...
Trons
PS: not sure if cool to link an article here, if not, please delete.
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07-13-2005 #1
A great Article
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07-13-2005 #2
Can you copy and paste the article here? because my stupid firewall at work won't let me view it.
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07-13-2005 #3
Article::
Shortcuts
Beyond Starting Hand Charts
by Steve Badger
“He who accounts all things easy
will have many difficulties.”
-- Lao-Tse
In many ways, poker is a simple game. After all, kids play it. It doesn't take much to start with split kings in Stud and find your way to the showdown no matter what. If there were no rake, lots of mediocre players would hover around the breakeven threshold, winning or losing a little mostly due to random luck.
Playing winning poker comes from making the most of advantages over an extended period of time -- a few big advantages, and a lot of small advantages. Analyzing situations (even analyzing in a split second), exploiting opportunities, finding edges, all these things help a player win. These things can be grouped under one heading: thinking.
Winning players think. Interestingly, the actual thought processes players' use varies a lot. Some are analytical. Others excel at perception -- reading a player, putting him on a hand, is calculated thinking.
Of course, people are pretty dopey. We all make mistakes. One idea, commonly used in big bet poker, is to make your opponent think. If you have either AK or 77, you want to be the one who reraises before the flop to get the guy with the other hand to fold, thus winning the dead money in the pot without having to race to the river for a 50/50 showdown. Since we are all dummies, make your opponent think. That is true enough, but beyond that, thinking correctly is what makes winners.
But most people are lazy. They don't want to think. They don't want to do the hard work of out-thinking and out-playing their opponents. They want shortcuts.
I see it all the time on the Internet -- people looking for quick answers to difficult problems. Some people read poker books or magazines to be told "the answer." They want charts, rigid rules, systems, all kinds of things that give them answers. Some people do study to really learn, but many just want to be told. If you don't understand the "why" of a situation, the "what" of what you do, even if it is correct, is at best a road to mediocrity.
Using shortcuts, where somebody else has done the thinking for you, can often bring decent results, especially if that "somebody else" is a top player. A parrot will be a big step up from the clueless players. However, parrots are many steps down from people who try to understand the reasons for doing the right things. Learning to play winning poker is about understanding the reasons, not the actual doing.
I love playing against parrots who use starting hand charts or point count systems. They aren't thinking about the game. They are merely data-entry robots. They are no threat to me, and fortunately not a big threat to the bad players either.
Novices surely may do better in the short-run using charts and systems than just sitting down in a game as a pure virgin, but they have no edge over the virgin in the long-run. Again, it's just like school. Having somebody tell you the answers is just not as good as learning the answers yourself, even if it might be temporarily convenient.
Always having a formulaic, standard way to play to fall back on when you are confronted with a situation you can't figure out (or if it is a coin flip decision) is fine. But you should approach any such rules as crutches. Crutches are not answers to problems. They may be temporarily useful, but players should want to discard them.The Lao-Tse quote at the beginning of this column brings up a further, even more serious problem for players who rely on these crutches. Especially in Texas Holdem, for which most chart-like things are designed, the majority of the important decisionmaking takes place after the flop. Post-flop play is where money is made (or lost). Unfortunately for them, chart-happy players find themselves in these pots/situations without much of a clue as to why. Their chart said to three-bet with JJ, and now the flop comes Q97, and their opponent bets. What do they do now? Reach for another chart? On the other hand, if you three-bet for a reason that you understand, the correct line of play is usually pretty apparent. You raised because you know what you want to do when the flop comes Q97 and you are bet into.
If you don't know (or try to know) why you are doing what you do before the flop, how can you expect to know what to do afterwards? Everything in a poker hand is interrelated. Think about what you are doing. Try to understand what you are doing. Don't let somebody else think for you in the beginning of a hand, because they ain't gonna be around later in the hand to tell you what to do.Marm is back, maybe. Been off for 3 years. Rusty as Hell.
Luck is a Residue of Design.
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07-13-2005 #4
I've always thought it would be REALLY helpfull to sit down with someone who really knows their stuff and some hand histories and go through some of the hands and get their thought process each step of the way.
Any volunteers?I'm CDO. It's like OCD, but everying is in order just like it should be.
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07-13-2005 #5
Istnt that what we do every time we post some of our HH's? Most of the time When I post, I know what i did wrong, I'm just looking to get a discussion started on the topic.
Originally Posted by Girevik
Marm is back, maybe. Been off for 3 years. Rusty as Hell.
Luck is a Residue of Design.
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07-13-2005 #6
Originally Posted by Marm
Sort of, but not in the depth that I'd like to get with someone one-on-one. When someone says "I put him on AK", I'd like to know WHY exactly. Stuff that's probably obvious to most folks, I guess.I'm CDO. It's like OCD, but everying is in order just like it should be.
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07-13-2005 #7
Badger is so underestimated in his writing, as soon as I saw playwinningpoker in the link I knew what aricle you meant.
This is actually one of the areas that we have big disagreements on here, Alex and I sayimg to limp with AQ or TT with 4+ limpers already and Beavis and Marm saying it needs to be raised for equity reasons.
Not to rehash an old debate but...Read my musings on poker and life at Online Poker Examiner, Poker Examiner, PokerNewsBoy.com, and My Poker Blog
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07-13-2005 #8
I'd be in the limping camp on that one.
And you can't beat thinking about things. It's why the answer to almost every question is "It depends".
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07-13-2005 #9
I think I remember that debate. Limit correct? If so, then I limp.
However, I agree that this is a very good article.
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07-13-2005 #10
I agree with Limping from thee blinds, because your OOP on the flop, and when you miss, wtf now? From EP, easy easy raise to cut back on others entering the pot. from LP with multiple limpers, I have found it is still better to raise, because people will check to you in additon to all the other things that it does, giving you a free card on the flop, if you want it.
Just last night, I get AQs in the CO, 4 limpers already in, I raise, SB calls, BB calls, and 3 of the limpers FOLD. We're talking SSH here though, in mid to hi limit, your not going to be encountering many times that your AQ outkicks another hand, your not goign to be seeing Q9o and A5o very often, so a littel more caution is required. And I think it then becomes a riase or fold scenario... Limping is an option, but in SSH, folding isnt the option....Marm is back, maybe. Been off for 3 years. Rusty as Hell.
Luck is a Residue of Design.
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