ok i know this was very early in a SnG so maybe i should have been a little more conservative and just not chanced this but i couldnt conceivably put this guy on anything but AK.

PokerStars Game #2058338425: Tournament #9824350, Hold'em No Limit - Level I
(10/20) - 2005/07/08 - 13:21:46 (ET)
Table '9824350 1' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Wein (2390 in chips)
Seat 2: Marco (1545 in chips)
Seat 3: shadypac84 (1470 in chips)
Seat 4: Wheely Rob (1420 in chips)
Seat 5: ncwonz (1470 in chips)
Seat 6: ChunkShuffle (1445 in chips)
Seat 7: arekid (1400 in chips)
Seat 8: nikon11043 (880 in chips)
Seat 9: Randy430 (1480 in chips)
arekid: posts small blind 10
nikon11043: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to shadypac84 [Ah Qh]
Randy430: folds
Wein: raises 80 to 100
Marco: folds
shadypac84: calls 100
Wheely Rob: folds
ncwonz: calls 100
ChunkShuffle: folds
arekid: folds
nikon11043: folds
*** FLOP *** [5c 2h Ad]
Wein: bets 200
shadypac84: raises 200 to 400
ncwonz: folds
Wein: calls 200
*** TURN *** [5c 2h Ad] [4c]
Wein: checks
shadypac84: bets 160
Wein: raises 1730 to 1890 and is all-in
shadypac84: calls 810 and is all-in
shadypac84 said, "nh"
*** RIVER *** [5c 2h Ad 4c] [6c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Wein: shows [Ac As] (three of a kind, Aces)
shadypac84: shows [Ah Qh] (a pair of Aces)
Wein collected 3070 from pot


yea so he had pocket aces but with me having one and one on the board could i really suspect that and let this go? He raised it up 100 from early position so i ruled out ace small to give him 2 pair...trips were unlikely to me also cause from early position when the blinds r small i know im not goin 5BB with pocket 2's, 4's or 5's. Only thing i figured was AK maybe cause i knew he also didnt have a 3 in his hand but game just started and i had no reads or anything else to base my decision on. Any comments?

so you put him on a hand that beat you, and then proceeded to call his all in?

Haha Yeah I was about to say the same thing. If you even suspected him to have AK why stay in the hand? He bet out strong pre flop then proceed afterwards from an early pos, so why call him?

Why make that little girl bet on the turn if you are going to call all-in anyway?

I would try to avoid calling raises with AQ in a SnG early, in fact, i try to avoid playing it early in a SnG.

LOL - my first though was also "if you put him on a hand that dominates you, why are you calling".

I also agree with Beavis. AQ is worth a raise in an unraised pot, but that early in a SnG I don't know that I call a 4BB riase with it, espeically without any money in the pot yet.

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no lol if i said that my bad...what i meant was the only hand that i can put him on that beats me is AK. But thats not what he could have had....i play sngs constantly and he could have had AT, AJ, A9 even....even a small chance at a bluff, people play loosly in the $5-$20 range. since he made such a big bet on the turn i figured that might be the case.


and the small bet on the turn is for value once again because i cant put him on anything that beats me.. the only thing i would think i could lose to here is once again AK. so its not worth it to chance it when u think that theres only one possible holding that could win.

oh and in responce to what beav said maybe in this case i was wrong but if pot odds and implied odds sometimes justify calling with a marginal hand early on in an sng why not build up the stack so u can play tight when the game is 4-5 handed and the table is filled with alot of PF all-ins when the blinds come. The majority of my wins are from me accumulating a stack of anywheres from double to triple from what i started with. It seems that when i play tight in the beginning til lets say...50/100 i dont get the hands i need and end up maybe sqeezing out a third place finish.

That's a hand you have to get away from... he obviously REALLY likes his hand... the "please call this" bet on the flop and then the check-all-in on the turn... Only a terrible player is going that big against someone ELSE who obviously likes their hand without something really strong. Unless you have a read on someone as a terrible player... treat them like they have a clue, and no one with A9 bets like that if they have a clue

Do a search on "Limp and Go", its style that encourages playing alot of hands CHEAPLY early, not playing marginal+ hands to raises. If your going to play this hand, you should rereaise it PF to try and take it now. this way when he pushes, you can cheaply release it.

You played this very weakly, flat calls and min raises, You need to get him to put some serious chips in before you are pot committed (or think you are). Also trying to justify weak play to yourself will only cause you to do it again later.....

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I think you already know it, but soooo many hands were beating you at that point...

KK and QQ are about the only relevant hands you were beating from a solid player.

Of course, he could have been a jerk and play any PP or AJ and A10 the way he did, but apparently, you did'nt have that kind of info.

your A-low read is not likely to be good in this situation, but any way, it probably BEATS YOU!!!!

So why going that far with this hand????

Honestly, it<s a bad play, but we all do this here and there... bad read!!! thats all....

KJ