
06-26-2005, 07:21 AM
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Part I. 7-Handed Aces, mid-late
2 part
7/14 left, live tourney. Blinds = 400/800 w/100 ante, I've got ~15k
Hero is in the BB, dealt
UTG (weak, passive, loose) calls.
4 folds.
SB (tight and SS) calls.
Hero checks.
Flop:
SB moves all-in for ~5-7k.
What I'm thinking...I've played against him several times, including heads-up, and his play smells like he has a moderately strong, though not a monster (i.e. TPG-BK, A10, K10, Q10, J10). I don't think he has a set, as he would have just moved all-in pre-flop with 44, 99, or 10 10. If he has 10-9, bad for me, but I still have 8 outs to the redraw (2 aces, 3 fours, and 3 of whatever the turn brings, if it isn't a 10 or a 9).
I also don`t have him for a draw as he is too tight for that.
If I call, that is giving UTG (who has me slightly covered) good odds to call any draw, If I call and UTG raises, what do I do, I'd have 8k left, I'm pretty much committing myself to an all-in call/move, with blinds moving up to 500/1000 w/200 ante very shortly. I'm leaning towards moving all-in to isolate against the SB, who I'm almost sure I have beat.
What do you think?
I'll post results along with another question tomorrow morning/afternoon (for me), very early tomorrow morning for USians.
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06-26-2005, 09:26 AM
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Well, it depends onif you want UTG to come along or not, sounds like you dont, You can't release this really, so raise to isolate i guess. Take his stack and keep playing.
I'm not so sure bout your PF Check though..... good for deception though, gets other to think you got crap.....
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06-26-2005, 09:41 AM
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I hate your check PF.
On the flop, push.
It will look pretty fishy if you just call anyway.
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06-26-2005, 02:35 PM
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In the BB with 2 other people, I'd add another 1600-2000 to the blind. I don't like the PF check because you have no idea, whatsoever on what you're up against. T9 or 44 are the only hands that I can conceive that beat you, so I'd like to see an all in raise on this flop.
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06-26-2005, 03:04 PM
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Anyone put this guy on  ? I think the only hand you could be behind to is T9, because I also agree he may be pushing with 44. Raise it all-in. And I agree with Alex's PF raise.
Last edited by Announced Tilt; 06-26-2005 at 03:07 PM.
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06-26-2005, 06:53 PM
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If SB is a solid, maybe pro, but very good player is anyone else folding?
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06-26-2005, 08:06 PM
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what is the average stack at this point? how many places pay, and what are the payouts relative to the buyin?
based on the answers to some of those questions, i may very grudgingly fold, and kick myself in the head for not raising preflop.
otherwise, move it all in
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06-27-2005, 02:25 AM
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14 started with 10k chips, seven left so avg. stack has to be 20k. I'm probably in 5th place, though not for sure as this was live.
Payout is as follows:
1st: $330
2nd: $190
3rd: $130
4th: $50 (money back)
Okay here's the results:
Flop:
SB: moves all-in.
Hero: re-raises all-in.
UTG: calls.
Turn:
River:
Results:
SB shows Ah Tc, one pair of Tens
Hero shows Ac As, one pair of Aces
UTG shows Ts 9d, two pair Tens and Nines
UTG wins.
Okay many people don't like my check on the flop and advocated a raise preflop. I'm not trying to excuse my play, but I want to give my reasons for doing such:
A) My table image is aggressive (almost overly aggressive, why I don't know. I hadn't done anything ridiculous), I this case UTG busted me out, I think she would have called any raise short of an overbet (then I only win the blinds). I almost also know that the SB would have folded, rather than push all-in with ATo and risk his tournament on a marginal hand preflop. Any more limpers and I am raising to isolate, also I'm re-raising any raise, though as it stood only UTG and the SB were in and if I hit a monster flop or good flop, I'm probably going to get paid off, If I hit a scare flop I can get out of it not having invested any money.
B) I'm not looking to limp into the money, I'm looking for 1st or 2nd. I had everyone completely fooled and it nearly won me a huge pot, that an vs. those two hands I was nearly a 80% favorite pre-flop (although I didn't know what they had).
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Bean181818: some guy came up just grabbed my hand and starting massaging it, since it wasn't you, i told him to fuck off
xcrunman02: yeah only I can do that, i don't need some gook trying to get with my life partner
Bean181818: i've been faithful
xcrunman02: me too
Bean181818: peck tried to get all this but i told him this was all taken, all of it!
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06-27-2005, 02:34 AM
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You may have been a favourite pf but your check didn't give you the chance to make those odds pay.
I sometimes check AA in order to aim for a big pot when short stacked, but I do so in the knowledge that I am potentially beaten by pretty much any flop, whereas a pf raise narrows the options. Unless an AA check is raised allowing the reraise it's a very risky play.
If T9 and AT had missed the flop then all you are picking up is the blinds, whereas is they hit it hard you can lose it all.
I'm not saying it's the worst play in the world, but it's a dangerous one.
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06-27-2005, 07:44 AM
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The fact that you are viewed as aggressive is even more of a reason to raise. Get the money in while you are ahead.
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