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    Durrrr the alex's Avatar
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    Default JTs in the BB with a heavy flop- limit hand Pt. I

    20/40 (10% $5max. rake no rake if no turn) @ Trump 8-handed.

    One just left. The player on my left is waiting to post as is another player who was just moved. Semi-tight for a Thursday night (which have been active lately with school out) table with a lot of limping PF as opposed to PF raising. The player in the CO was fairly aggressive on many streets, but not all that loose. His cards were at least mathematically justified as far as I could remember through the session. I wasn't really paying much attention to MP2, in all honesty, so I had no read there. He was a frat lookin' kid with sunglasses and a Duke hat, if that means anything to you.

    Me: in the BB

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    3 folds. MP2 calls. CO calls. Button and SB fold. I check.

    Flop (pot= $70): (might've been a diamond)
    I bet. MP2 calls. CO raises. I ________?

    I'm not gonna fold, but am I raising or calling and what am I looking to do with the wide amount of cards that can hit the turn when those cards hit. If a blank hits, the board pairs, a spade hits, a 9 hits? What about a Queen, King, or Ace? What's your gameplan in this spot?

    And question #2 can be seen here:
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    Last edited by the alex; June 25th, 2005 at 03:41 PM.
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    Unlikely he has a pair above 9s.

    So, you have nine outs for the flush, 3 more for the straight, and 6 overcards.

    12 very strong outs and 6 decent ones. I would raise it up.

    I would check call the turn though if I missed.

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    Raise for info. See if hes got a set (whihc he'll four bet) or TP/Free card play, which then he'll jsut call. And obviously you have more outs than him, which outs are live though is the question.

    If he four bets, obivously call (5 betting, if allowed, probably isnt worth it here), and check call the turn, you should have odds to do so on the turn, even if hes got you over flushed, you still got 9 outs ot th str8 and higher pair (if hes got As8s).
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    I would probably just call, One of the worst possible situations you could be in is if he has giving you only three outs. I would just call to see a turn and go from their

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    edit: > 3 outs but still a dominating pos for him

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    10 outs vs A8s?
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    Raise this for sure, it's good to get more money in this pot for you.

    Also, MP2 MAY be on a straight draw, so you could possibly lose 6 outs (your overcards) that would make him a straight. A raise will probably get those draws out.
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    No, 9 outs vs , gives him the better flush.
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    Do you guys really want to isolate yourself vs the CO?

    Or I guess another question would be what would you guys be hoping for when you raise?

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    Thats another huge consideration. If MP2 will call 2 bets cold, you probably DO want to raise just because your equity in this pot is higher than 33%
    “There's no sense in being precise when you don't even know what you're talking about.” - John von Neumann

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