Is that a bad play...

KINGJACK · #1 (**permalink**) 06-21-2005, 05:05 PM

Blinds 200-400
top 7 pay and I'm 5th out of 10
I just double up on UTG who called my all in with A-10off (he's a total freak)
I have AK of diamonds middle postion.
UTG raise it to 1500 with 2700 more in front of him...
I push push for 5000...

He shows 66
I hit the flush but he hit the boat 66633

what I should have done...

KJ

Av8tor009 · #2 (**permalink**) 06-21-2005, 05:36 PM

you didnt do anything wrong man, ya just got boat owned.... it happens, but i really didnt see any way out of that hand... just unlucky

KINGJACK · #3 (**permalink**) 06-21-2005, 06:07 PM

Flat call and push on the flop would'nt have been better on your opinion?

Here's more info:
I would have flopped FD + belly buster + 2 over cards... He would have had 66 with a board Q-10-3... well... he would have call I think.

Any toughts?

KJ

Marm · #4 (**permalink**) 06-21-2005, 09:18 PM

You said hes a freak, but depends how freaky, and what type of freaky. And it depends on everybody elses stacks. I'm assuming this is a 3 tbale SNG?

Given the average stack at this point is 4050, and the relative average stack is usually less (theres usually one or two knuckleheads with 8k-12k at this point), meaning the majority of the players are short stacked, I m,ay have flat called this, not wishing to commit the majority of my stack on a drawing hand. IF the flop was favorable, then I push.

Normally, we would consider this push textbook, but with the blidns as high as they are and the number of players and amount of chips in play, I think a more passive, waiting play would be appropaite here. Wait for the bubble (6-7 players left), get aggressive, double your stack through steals, tighten up a bit once the bubbel bursts, and make 3rd or better spot, thats where the money is.

And yeah, that woulda been a favorable flop, worst case you got 13 outs, best case 19 outs, with 2 to come, 50% to 80% on that flop... thats a push .

KINGJACK · #5 (**permalink**) 06-22-2005, 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marm

You said hes a freak, but depends how freaky, and what type of freaky. And it depends on everybody elses stacks. I'm assuming this is a 3 tbale SNG?

Given the average stack at this point is 4050, and the relative average stack is usually less (theres usually one or two knuckleheads with 8k-12k at this point), meaning the majority of the players are short stacked, I m,ay have flat called this, not wishing to commit the majority of my stack on a drawing hand. IF the flop was favorable, then I push.

Normally, we would consider this push textbook, but with the blidns as high as they are and the number of players and amount of chips in play, I think a more passive, waiting play would be appropaite here. Wait for the bubble (6-7 players left), get aggressive, double your stack through steals, tighten up a bit once the bubbel bursts, and make 3rd or better spot, thats where the money is.

And yeah, that woulda been a favorable flop, worst case you got 13 outs, best case 19 outs, with 2 to come, 50% to 80% on that flop... thats a push .

Yeah... looking back, it's what i think I should have done. Despite the fact I probably had a rock image (18% of FS), I had no hand, I knew that guy would have call with a baby pocket.

However I also knew he would have call with any A... In both cases, it would have been better to just flat call. And push the flop.

Better luck next time.

KJ

maxpot · #6 (**permalink**) 06-22-2005, 01:53 PM

there is nothing wrong with a flat call here when you have the chips to play the flop and the chips to survive fine if you don't pick up the pot. if you were on the blinds and the button raised, play back since you don't have to give them credit for anything.

sometimes in tournaments, and i know this is shocking, but sometimes it's ok to play a flop. that call button isn't just decor'.

of course if you think your opponent is much better than you are or you want to negate position, all in is a good play.

maxpot