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06-16-2005, 06:15 PM
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change my title babo
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Another hand on the bubble
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (4 handed) converter
Button (t3380)
SB (t5700)
Hero (t2730)
UTG (t1690)
Preflop: Hero is BB with  ,  .
1 fold, Button calls t100, 1 fold, Hero raises to t500, Button raises to t3380, Hero ...
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06-16-2005, 06:17 PM
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Stu Ungar
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ur owned, lay it down
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06-16-2005, 09:25 PM
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Shit, i dunno, flip a coin.... Best case your 80/20, most like your 50/50 worst your 20/80. Really need mroe info on the button, will he be aggresive if he smells a steal???
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06-16-2005, 10:46 PM
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Having played one SnG with you and seeing from your recent posts, I'd call this. Looks to me like a guy that just wants to push back.
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06-17-2005, 01:01 AM
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I'd fold. To much risk, a call and a loss would wipe you out. save the all in for sometime when you can seethe rest if the hand. Pre-flop all ins at th9is stage a re dangerous, so say he is bluffing and has 2c 6c, and then ctahced a straight or a flush?
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06-17-2005, 09:54 AM
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4 handed I would make the call with10s, you are getting 1.3:1 on your money.
There is a case for folding too, but callign gives you are great shot at first.
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06-17-2005, 10:15 AM
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hi
first off, your overbet preflop is what got you in a sticky situation here. i can't see a good arg for raising more than 300-400. now that you have 500 in the middle already along with the blinds, you've put yourself in a tougher spot, whereas 300 you could fold easy.
on the call, it's that old calculation of the range of possible raising hands for villian vs % of those hands you beat vs odds on the call weighed by your chip position.
i think since it's the bubble, your opponent has to be given a little more credit than usual for a hand. s/he has little reason to risk basically busting against you without a strong hand. if we assume the range then [and i think this is generous, btw] of their hands goes from 99-AA + AK - AQ, you dominate once at 4 1/2-1 and are dominated ... eh, i dont' feel like doing the math, but let's say you're roughly even to be against two overs or a bigger pair. somoene else tell me how wrong i am please. brain still slow, coffee on delayed timer i guess.
of course, this is also a good place for your opponent to represent that strength, so that issue comes down to what you know about the player and their capcity for a tricky play.
anyhow, i raise less PF and probably fold here in a SNG. if we're already past the bubble and three handed, i'm probably calling. in a multi on the bubble i'm more tempted to call, but probably fold. in ring, i fold like a shot.
for some reason lately, i cannot type the work more correctly. it keeps coming out mroe.
maxpot
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06-17-2005, 09:31 PM
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500 isnt an overbet, thats only a 4bb raise, Only habitual min raisers consider this an overbet. There is a minimum threshold at each table that will cause others to fold.... for some tables its 2 bb,s for others its 6. Depends on the table.
But again, we really can't answer this unless we know more about the button. Personally, against an aggressive player who may think your stealing, I think you should think hes stealing with crap, and push.
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06-19-2005, 06:27 PM
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To fold, Villian has to be uber-tight. This isn't the bubble. I think of SnG money as 1st. 2nd isn't bad and 3rd is "At least I didn't lose money. What a waste of time." This player dependent. I'd think you have a read. If not, I say call no matter what's in the pot.
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06-20-2005, 05:30 AM
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Stu Ungar
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Without other information, I would call ibn a heart beat.
And BTW, wanting my oponent to go over the top, I would have done it this way. I like the play. You make it look a little bit like a steal and left enough room for a resteal.
With 1600 chips you want to go all in with 10-10 on ly 4 hands better than yours.
KJ
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