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    Default Give up online? Help...

    i am a massively losing player online even at the micros (and ive all but given up
    completely), but a pretty big live winner. i lose my ass online and yet i
    calculated my bb/100 for $1/3 & $2/5 live through the use of pokerjournal for iphone
    and some quick math and it is about 95.5bb/100 over about a 6 month stretch of
    playing 8-12 hr sessions about 5x/week. i know live poker is exponentially
    easier and the fish are massively fishier...so this isnt a brag...any monkey can
    grind out FR live, but it seems that I should be able to translate my abilities
    live to online at least a little bit...do you have any advice for me? i have
    been a CR/deuces cracked/bluefire/2p2 member over the last few years and EVERY
    day I spend about 3-4hrs watching videos, posting, looking at things on
    flopzilla/stove and I just cant seem to figure the online game out. Help?!

    when i play live i feel like one of the strengths in my game is being able to read people and tell if they are nervous/comfortable etc. as well as being 1 level ahead of any dynamic built up between myself & another player.
    conversely, when i play online i feel like i really lose track of who did what, obviously I cant see anyone so I have no idea if they are comfortable or not...i really feel as if i am "flying blind" and on top of all that, when people come & go I again lose track of how long they've been on the table, what they've seen from me, its just like everyone is JaneDoe or JohnSmith to me online...and yes I do use HEM but I dont have a ton of hands on people so I cant really put much stock into any stats I see other than GLARING leaks such as a vpip over 35 or something suuuper obvious like that.

    I feel like I have exhausted all resources attainable short of coaching which is too expensive for me to afford (usually hundreds of $/hr) should I just give it up online or what?

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    What stakes are you playing online? People widely compare 2NL and 5NL to live and 10NL as tougher than live.

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    It sounds like you just need to practice online, and look for betting patterns from players so you can exploit their weaknesses.
    Last edited by bauss; June 17th, 2012 at 01:21 PM.
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    Just saw this post. I know for a fact that I can beat the micros but I would be terrified to try and beat your stakes live. They play hugely different and again me saying that I can beat micro stakes isn't a brag because I feel that at lower stakes you just need to be a pretty nitty and play relatively straightforwardly the cards talk much more at this level. I am capable of mixing it up a bit but nowhere near enough to own higher stakes and I think we are working in opposite directions on this. You probs need to go back to basics (play more straightforward) and if in doubt fold and I probably need to learn more advanced game theory etc to move up.

    I would try and identify which element of your game you are losing most in for example in your much higher standard live game you have the ability to get reads and also you are facing far far more aggressive players as you can't nit about in these stakes and be a winner (or so I hear ).

    You might be stacking off far far too light or 4 betting and 3 betting too light. You might be calling to many 3 bets (this is a killer). I imagine that people at your higher levels can make more intelligent folds allowing you to make more intelligent bluffs and also I guess meta game an history come into it a bit more.

    in the smallstakes it really is a case of playing 90% decent hands with a bit of crap thrown in for blind steals and to mix things up a bit and just bet when you have it fold when you don't. Also you might find that where it was standard in your usual game to stack off with an overpair it might be standard to fold at the more nitty lowstakes.

    In many ways if you are beating your live game I would carry on with that as re-learning your game for 2nl 5nl 10nl 25 etc might be detrimental to your bigger game where an extremely impressive 98.5 b/100 win rate is more than bringing home the bacon.

    If you do decide to carry on with it though I would go back over some of the very basic articles available to you on the play and really really trust the big bets and re-raises at this level of course some players are big bluffers but lets put it this way the times you press call when you feel likely you are thinly ahead and are right will be way out wieghed by the 99 percent times when they do have the hand they are representing as they are not imaginative players.

    gl keep us updated as to how you progress and what leaks you identify also let your holdem manager catch up with the other players I haven't been using it in Zoom but in side games once it datamines a lot of hands it just really helps you with making decisions.

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    If you are winning at live poker I would stick to that. Given all the hoops you have to jump through, the risk involved, the liquidity issues most of these sites have I don't see why you are playing online.

    That said I live in LA and have half a dozen poker rooms within a 20 mile radius.

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