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PokerStars Game #1866019901: Tournament #8806057, Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2005/06/09 - 18:46:11 (ET)
Table '8806057 1' Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: AMAK316 (2455 in chips)
Seat 2: wit05 (2870 in chips)
Seat 3: joe32543 (2700 in chips)
Seat 5: terryjung (3495 in chips)
Seat 9: schnick69 (1980 in chips)
schnick69: posts small blind 75
AMAK316: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to joe32543 [Qd Qc]
wit05: calls 150
joe32543: raises 300 to 450
terryjung: folds
schnick69: folds
AMAK316: calls 300
wit05: calls 300
*** FLOP *** [4h 6c Qh]
AMAK316: checks
wit05: bets 150
joe32543: raises 150 to 300
AMAK316: folds
wit05: calls 150
*** TURN *** [4h 6c Qh] [Jc]
wit05: checks
joe32543: bets 450
wit05: folds
joe32543 collected 2025 from pot
joe32543: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2025 | Rake 0
Board [4h 6c Qh Jc]
Seat 1: AMAK316 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: wit05 folded on the Turn
Seat 3: joe32543 collected (2025)
Seat 5: terryjung (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: schnick69 (small blind) folded before Flop


The minimum raise after the flop was made b/c this guy had been raising every hand, and since he didn't raise this one, I figured he had a strong hand (AA, KK, JJ, AK), and was hoping to induce a reraise from him. Should I have checked on the turn? While a good hand, there seems to be a few too many draws on the board, and I figured a small bet would let me know if he was drawing or if he raised me, that he had a made hand. Is there any way I could have got more money?

I disagree with potting it.

He only has 8 outs to the flush and you have redraws.

But there is 1425+150= 1570 - raising it up to 1000 would be good on the flop.

You definitly don't want to check the turn, a lot of draws there. About 1/2 to 3/4 again.

Was this a SnG?

If it were a SnG I would be more willing to pot the flop, and probably bet a little more PF, especially since you have a limper in the pot.

In SnGs, you only get so many hands, so protecting pots is critical.

I wouldn't feel too bad about picking up 1000 chips.

Yes, I got into an argument with a friend about this before. When you have a strong hand, like top two pair or a set and there are draws on the board, you almost always bet larger than the pot to push out draws, especially in tourney situations. Like in this example, if another heart came on the turn, you'd be stuck with your thumb in your ass.

Originally Posted by GTSamIAm

Yes, I got into an argument with a friend about this before. When you have a strong hand, like top two pair or a set and there are draws on the board, you almost always bet larger than the pot to push out draws, especially in tourney situations. Like in this example, if another heart came on the turn, you'd be stuck with your thumb in your ass.

Dan Harrington would disagree with you.

You have to be able to play poker, you need to build a stack in tournaments, the involves a little risk. If you flop huge hands like that and only make small profits from them, you will blind and ante away.

But if this were a SnG, and it looks like one, taking the pot down on the flop isn't bad.

Yes, it was a single-table SNG.

The only problem I have with potting is that if he has an overpair (like I put him on), a bet this size would force him to fold. By betting small, I was trying to make him feel like he had the best hand. The point is to win chips, not pots....right?

Originally Posted by bonchkid

Beavis is HoH really that good? I've heard you refer to it in every single thread. I'm thinking about picking up a copy if you really think its that great.

I think it is great for MTTs - not quite as applicable for SnGs. Vol2 is out now, that is the end game of tournaments.

Probably the best NL stuff I have read, but not really earth shattering, but a lot of good stuff to keep in mind.

The book is not a "how to play like Dan Harrington" book. He looks at how the more aggressive players play too.

Hand examples are round-by-round from real hands he played, or watched someone else play. Sometimes the player doesn't follow the advice, and Dan shows you how to recover. The second edition of VolI will be out in a bit and will have some of the typos fixed. In a few examples, chip amounts and outs don't quite add up, but it doesn't effect the recommendation

Originally Posted by joe32543

The only problem I have with potting is that if he has an overpair (like I put him on), a bet this size would force him to fold. By betting small, I was trying to make him feel like he had the best hand. The point is to win chips, not pots....right?

He wouldn't fold an over pair unless he was Phil Hellmuth. He would put you on AQ or KQ, Any one with KK or AA should have reraised PF. When the J hit, that would have been a great time to push.