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    Default over aggressive with AKs?

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    i have been playing very tight, mainly top 10 only as well as lower PP's and Axs in late position with a lot of limpers. i have not been getting many cards so have been playing very few hands.

    opponent has nearly a full stack just under $20, i have around $18.
    i have no real read on opponent except he is playing a lot of hands and rarely raises preflop, but may call a raise.

    the table is loose passive in general.

    I get in the BB,

    3 folds, 3 call, sb calls

    i raise to $1, this is bigger than a standard raise as a) i have to play the hand out of position and, b) a raise of 3-5bbs tends to get a lot of callers,

    opponent (MP) calls,

    flop

    pot is around $2.30, i bet $1.50, opponent calls, i decide he has a made hand prob a PP as there are not many mands to call a $ pre flop that contain a 2 or 3. i dont think he will call this bet with 2 overcards (not 100% sure of this as i have seen this at theese tables).

    turn i decide i am behind and check, he checks.

    River i check he bets $6....

    i am pretty sure a fold is correct, yes?

    my main concern is that he called flop and pre flop bets but did not bet the turn when checked to him.

    i am pretty sure check/fold is correct on river.

    do people feel i played the hand correctly?

    could i have lost less by raising less pre flop and playing a smaller pot, i could have bet less on the flop if the pot was smaller

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    Steve had a good point with artificially infalting a pot. Your aised PF with a drawing hand from OOP, just to try and eliminate players. Now what if one of these guys pops it all-in? You know you're beat then, cause only nutcases/bad players limp/reraise with anything other than AA/KK. I think a limp is better off here.

    Ok good flop, we think. I like th bet, maybe a skoash small, but thats a nit point. Now if we had limped PF, this bet would be very believable since you could have a BB special. But since we bet, and unless hes a complete fish, he probably doesnt have either of these 2 cards, hes probably got a higher PP (we he should raise then, so I'm guessing he doesnt) or a Weaker Ace.

    You gave up on the turn, which is not a bad thing though. But a bet may also be a good idea too, about 2/3 the pot.

    River, you gave him the opening to bluff, and he tok it, we now have no idea what he has... so I guess folding is probably your best choice. But you may hev been able to call this river bet if you hadn't inflated the pot PF. You stated that you were expecting callers PF, so an OOP bet is not doing anything but building a pot....
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    i agree that i probably made the pot too big pre flop,

    not sure if i like calling pre flop with a top 5 hand as then i don't know if i am ahead even if i hit TPTK,

    i liked the flop so decided to bet it. harrington suggests making a 1/2 pot sized bet, so that the opponent only has to fold 1/3 of the time for you to profit (marm thinks i should bet more). i thought my flop bet may have been too large but i bet the ammount i did as the table in general was making loose calls and i prefer a fold here.

    i gave up on the turn as i believed i was behind, is there any point betting when you thing you are behind and the opponent has called 2 largish (compared to pot) bets.? he may fold of course?

    i decided not to call any more bets as i decided i am behind

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    200x buyins on VC? I might have to get some money over there.. Sounds nice.
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    Doylesroom is the same network I believe, not a bad place, decent player rewards too. They have good cash freerolls for points.

    70c probably would have been decent, then I would bet 1/2 to 3/4 of the pot on the flop.

    Or with 3 players check and see what they do, someone probably had a pocket pair here, and you aren't going to scare them out, and don't have much for draws.

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    if he was holding a low pocket pair, a jack woulda been a scare card on the turn, checking there shows weakness, if you were to raise again on the turn and get called, a check on the river would be reasonable. Also raising so much pf just to get heads up in early position isn't all that great of a move unless your holding real strength, for this limit, 50c raise should be suficient with what your were holding and taking in consideration of your position. Looks to me though he made a good read on your steal after the flop and decided to play the hand no matter what he had, by overbetting the river it looks to me you got outplayed..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marm
    Steve had a good point with artificially infalting a pot. Your aised PF with a drawing hand from OOP, just to try and eliminate players.


    River, you gave him the opening to bluff, and he tok it, we now have no idea what he has... so I guess folding is probably your best choice. But you may hev been able to call this river bet if you hadn't inflated the pot PF. You stated that you were expecting callers PF, so an OOP bet is not doing anything but building a pot....
    ooh you learn something new. what is OOP. so you're saying he should raise AKs with the usual 3-4bb, cos AKs is only good in multi ppl pot?

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    No, I'm saying he has a chance to see the flop for free and instead of only knowing 28% of his hand he can now see 72% for the same price. Hes best to check this and take the free flop, then get aggressive cause it looked like this should have missed everybody BUT the BB.

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    I can't agree with Marm. Your preflop is fine as it netted you only 1 caller(this is what you want). On the flop, I don't like betting here because the pot is so big. If you check, your opponent will often only bet when he has a hand because you raised so big preflop.

    But its totally dependant on the opponent. You should only bet the flop if you are trying to represent aces and your opponent is smart enough to fold. If hes some idiot I'd check fold it down and take the pot down with A high often.

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