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    Default Weak tight missed value-bet? Or just playing it safe?

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (4 handed) converter

    UTG (t5300)
    Button (t1500)
    SB (t4410)
    Bonchy (t2290)

    Preflop: Bonchy is BB with , .
    2 folds, SB completes, Bonchy checks.

    Flop: (t200) , , (2 players)
    SB bets t100, Bonchy raises to t300, SB calls t200.

    Turn: (t800) (2 players)
    SB checks, Bonchy bets t600, SB calls t600.

    River: (t2000) (2 players)
    SB checks, Bonchy checks.

    Final Pot: t2000
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    i think he would have re raised on the flop with a 9 or T. it looks like hes calling with 78/KQ/clubs and it could even be a 5. even though the river was a good card by eliminating T9/TJ or something, i think there are too many drawing hands that either hit or completely missed.

    you played it good. the check behind is fine here. imma put him on TJ/9t i think, but the check behind is fine
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    Default PRe-Flop

    Bonchy

    Why no raise pre-flop? Were you worried about scaring him off?

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    AA in big blind. you'd get more money from the deception

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    I think he had two clubs. One of them probably a K or Q.


    The pot is pretty big, so if you bet, you are committing yourself to a check-raise unless you bet really small, in which case he may bluff check-raise. I think checking is the best here.

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    I hate not raising PF. The key to SH play is getting as much information as early as poosible because everyone's playing more hands and you need to help yourself as much as possible by extracting some info. Bad players are like bad friends. They're rats. They sing like canaries when when they're in the corner.

    That being said, betting T600 is a good move here. I don't thing you're getting called, but you won't have to show your hand, which is good. I hate showing my cards, even when I win, but there are only 2 ways to win- showing your cards and your opponent that you have him/her beat or when everyone folds to your bet, so you have 2 choices.

    Villian's missed his K or Q high club flush, IMO. If you're lucky, Villian has and you'll get called or raised all in. You have the best hand.
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    Alex hit exactly what I was thinking about. He turned over a busted flush draw and I had to show the AA. I didn't think about it until after, there's more to it than just a value bet. I'm hiding information with this bet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the alex
    I hate not raising PF. The key to SH play is getting as much information as early as poosible because everyone's playing more hands
    If I disguise my hand, doesn't this prevent him from accomplishing "the key to SH play"
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    Quote Originally Posted by bonchkid
    If I disguise my hand, doesn't this prevent him from accomplishing "the key to SH play"
    Then don't bet at all. Slowplay every hand.

    I'd raise PF, but that's because I'm so aggressive in SH play, raising 40-45% of the time PF that the evidence is definitely inconclusive. If you're aggressive in SH play, you won't have to get fancy when you have the cards and get a feel for how much you can extract.

    You will be picking up pots and building your stack, so you won't need to slowplay hands like Aces to build your stack. Your always building it. People are thinking about finishing in the "money." You should be thinking about winning and nothing short of that is in any way acceptable for you. That's another case where you will win with the opposite objective of your opponents and yours requires more determination. When you want something and act like it, you increase your chances of getting it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bonchkid
    Alex hit exactly what I was thinking about. He turned over a busted flush draw and I had to show the AA. I didn't think about it until after, there's more to it than just a value bet. I'm hiding information with this bet.
    And now they know you may limp with AA four handed an a SnG in the BBs, so what?

    How are they going to interpet that? How are they going to use it? Will they even get a chance to use it again?

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