Terrible Fancy Play?

**Beavis68** · 06-03-2005

In the CO wiht

3 limpers to me (this is limit guys). I call, button raises, SB calls, first limper folds. 6.5BB in the pot.

Flop is

SB checks, EP bets, I call, button raises, SB cold calls, EP calls, I call

10.5BB

turn

SB check, EP check, I check expecting the button to bet, Button checks

river

SB checks, EP bets, I raise, button folds (obviously on a flush draw?) SB now check-raises?!? EP folds, I cap, EP calls.

The pot ended up at 19BB, not bad, but I do not like my play or my line of thinking in this hand. I had the hands completely miss-read, and my have left some money on the table.

Thoughts?

**bonchkid** · 06-03-2005

What did button turn over? AJ? QQ?

**Beavis68** · 06-03-2005

the Button folded.

I don't want to say what the SB had yet, as it may affect opinions.

**Kliph** · 06-03-2005

I don't mind the call on the flop by you, but after the player after you raised, I think you should have re-raised when it got back to you. You had 3 other people in the hand, anyone on a flush draw is going to call and you've got to punish them!

Otherwise not bad, i can see why you checked the turn.

**mannerbot** · 06-03-2005

I play it as fast as possible. Limits and reads are important as well, but I'm guessing this is Party .5/1 or similar seeing as how it's five to the flop. Fastplaying is the new slowplaying. Also, with the flush draw out there, you have to bet the turn there. If the button bets and you check-raise, no one with a flush draw is going to fold.

**mannerbot** · 06-03-2005

Originally Posted by Kliph

I don't mind the call on the flop by you, but after the player after you raised, I think you should have re-raised when it got back to you. You had 3 other people in the hand, anyone on a flush draw is going to call and you've got to punish them!

I don't like this. It'd be really hard to make it more obvious that you have a set, and by putting these extra small bets in the pot you give a flush draw correct odds to draw.

**Kliph** · 06-03-2005

Originally Posted by mannerbot

It'd be really hard to make it more obvious that you have a set, and by putting these extra small bets in the pot you give a flush draw correct odds to draw.

This is how I see it...from my experience players with 4 to a flush draw will almost always call, regardless of the pot size, so you have to make them pay.

Also, with several players in the hand, I think that it's unlikely that all of them will give you credit for a set, especially this early in the hand. I feel that a re-raise here will still get you callers and if the turn is a blank for them, then they will fold.

I'm not sure what limit this is, but from what I know of Beavis I'm assuming it's medium to low limit, and I don't give those players enough credit to be dropping flush draws or putting you on trips in this situation. Make 'em pay!

**Beavis68** · 06-03-2005

Originally Posted by Kliph

I'm not sure what limit this is, but from what I know of Beavis I'm assuming it's medium to low limit, and I don't give those players enough credit to be dropping flush draws or putting you on trips in this situation. Make 'em pay!

That is kind of you, definitely low limits.

I personally think I should have 3 bet the flop once I got the players committed, my pot equity was good, and the pot was big enough that giving up the check-raise on the turn was worth it I think.

**Steve Ruddock** · 06-03-2005

I'm guessing the small blind had deuces? cold called 2 bets on the flop, hmmmm? maybe a crappy 2 pair, but my money is on 22.

I would have bet the turn since you could act like the king gave you top pair and you might get a reraise from the button that will eliminate draws(obviously this wouldn't have happened in the hand but it should be a thought)

gotta put some money in on the turn and either way, if the button calls or raises it is a good situation for you.

**the alex** · 06-03-2005

There are WAY too many people committed to the hand to not 3 bet the flop and too many seeing the turn to not lead on the turn. Your position and the amount of people still in the hand wanting to see more cards make a check a way that you minimize your take.

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