Trips with no kicker hand

**growlers** · 05-31-2005

Hi ya'all, wanted some thoughts on how to play this on the turn. Live hand 4-8 limit hold'em today at MGM.

Dealt to me in big blind

Three limpers and I check. ($18 - SB folded - 4 players.)
Flop

I bet $4, two callers and 1 fold. ($30 - three players)
Turn:

I bet $8, 1 fold and the button raises to $16.

Question: Do I call, fold, or reraise? How do I maximize my profit on this hand? My read on the guy is that it he is a pretty solid player but that could easily have limped with A4 or maybe even 45s or 34s or could just be playing around or have a q or 8. He definitely wasn't a calling station type.
I feel like this is one of those way behind way ahead hands but there is really no draw on the board so protecting my hand is not much of a issue.
I reraised to $24 and he folded. Neither of us showed but there is no way he wasn't calling with a weak 4 for $8 to see if he boats.

I think I played this right but maybe gave up some money on the river? I would definitely have led at the river if he called. I have thought about this 4 or 5 different ways and am still not sure.

**bonchkid** · 06-01-2005

Raise. If he caps it all and check call the river. If he just calls your 3-bet you can bet the river and if you want to get really cute fold to a raise

Of course that'd be a big pot to fold into.

**growlers** · 06-01-2005

But how often is that guy folding to my turn reraise? It seems like since a free card here is pretty harmless (if he has a 4 I'm beat anyway, the only free card that would be bad is if he has a pocket pair and the river is his two-outer). Should I just call and then bet the river hoping his hand improves a bit, like pairing one of his hole cards?
I guess I feel like I should have made some money on the river here and my aggressiveness got him out of the pot too early......

**Beavis68** · 06-01-2005

who is to say he wouldn't fold on the river?

People don'tfold after they raise too often, he must have had nuttin'.

**the alex** · 06-01-2005

Originally Posted by bonchkid

Raise. If he caps it all and check call the river. If he just calls your 3-bet you can bet the river and if you want to get really cute fold to a raise

Of course that'd be a big pot to fold into.

LLHE. This is 4/8 no fold 'em hold 'em. With all of these people and all of the betting, I'd have to think that you're beat here.

**Marm** · 06-01-2005

What Alex?

this much betting means they got a Q, or QQ. Most likely some knucklehead is slowplaying AQ. You are goign to get paid more often here than not.

Raise this on the turn. Hes looking for info, make him pay for it. Even if you are beat, you got, 1-4 outs (depending on how you count, and what you put him on) Given Harringtons rule of 10% bluff, I'd make him Qx 45% of the time, 35% your beat, and 10% you got him kicked, this is a raise for me.

If he caps on the turn, check/call this river. If he flat calls, you can safely value bet the river. Raising/calling will cost you a couple bets if your wrong, folding will cost you the pot.

**the alex** · 06-01-2005

Good point, Marm.

So you're prepared to invest $32-$48 more into this hand? I always sucked in these games where I can't get people on a range of hands. For value/math/bingo reasons, I could understand 3 betting over calling. If you're involved in a capped round of betting, I believe that you should be making on of the raises, not getting bookended.

**Marm** · 06-01-2005

Rereading this, Your hadn is very vulnerable to your kicker, I still recommend the cap and bet on the Turn/River, given that you CR the Flop. Your OOP, and you kciker sucks. Given that thers only a 12% chcne that the other 4 is out there, and you got almsot 40% of the kicers beat, its worth the chance of missing a bet to CR this flop for Info. Yes it gives away the strength of your hand, but I'd rather CR and get punted on the flop than bet my ass off on the later streets. THe bet on the flop tells us nuttin, jsut that nobody believes you and will cll with anything.

BUt yeah, Alex, I'm willing to invest another $8 here to see what he really thinks of his hand. IF he calls, he'd not to proud of it, and I can make him pay to see the showdown. If he raises, well, I'm probably screwed, but by now the pot is too big and our hand is strong enough that it probably +EV to call it down.

WE would have saved ourselves a lot of bets and frustration by CR'ing this flop for info.

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