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    Default Another Reality Check

    I tried out the new PS 3-table SNGs. After 1.5 hours, we're down to 6 players. Top 5 pay. The blinds are 300/600, with a 50 ante. Here are the approximate chip stacks:

    SB = 15,000
    BB = 2,500
    UTG (me) = 3,500
    UTG+1 = 800
    CO = 17,500
    Button = 3,500

    I get dealt JJ. I hate this hand. I'm right on the bubble. I obviously can't lay it down. I have to come in for a raise, and given the blinds relative to my stack, that means going all in. I know I'm going to be called by at least one player, and it's going to by someone with at least one overcard, which means that I'm probably going to be about a 60/40 favorite, if I'm lucky enough to see this flop heads up. That's a solid edge, but not as much as I'd like to see with the money so close and a very short stack to my left. So I bite the bullet and push.

    Everyone folds to the SB. He's a very loose, very aggressive player. He calls, and flips over Q8o. It's the best matchup I could possibly hope for in this situation aside from an underpair... I'm now about 75/25 favorite.

    Then the flop comes down Q 8 x, and couple of hours of hard work go down the drain.

    I know I got unlucky, and that's poker. But did I at least reason and play my hand correctly? Did I have to put all my chips at risk before the flop given the blinds? Or was some restraint in order given the very short stack to my left and the money being so close?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mxp2004
    The blinds are 300/600, with a 50 ante. Here are the approximate chip stacks:

    SB = 15,000
    BB = 2,500
    UTG (me) = 3,500
    UTG+1 = 800
    CO = 17,500
    Button = 3,500
    This is what scares me about these. Too fast blind levels and not enough total chips in play. The CL has less than 30BB's, the SB has 25, and next is you tied for THIRD with 6.5BB's. 4 of the 6 are in all in mode.
    Quote Originally Posted by FaDi View Post
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    I would have folded this. Just because UTG+1 probably won't make the next two hands.

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    you played it right I think, 5th doesnt pay shit anyway.

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    i really like the new 3 table sngs...blinds aren't usually up this high with 6 people still left. most of the time there are maybe only three or four players left at this point, although i guess most of this table is pretty close to done. the blinds do get to be very big, but overall i still like these sngs and this one appears to have run a bit slower than most.

    that said, i agree with your play here. 5th really doesn't pay much, and if you double up here, you're in a solid third and are actually almost a threat to the top two spots. with 7000 in chips they can't comfortably call a push from you and you have a lot more room to try to steal blinds and stuff to get more chips. plus you could have even tripled up this hand, putting you in even better shape. bad luck about the guy flopping two pair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoManner
    I would have folded this. Just because UTG+1 probably won't make the next two hands.
    Quote Originally Posted by Beavis68
    you played it right I think, 5th doesnt pay shit anyway.
    Your both right. IO have been cleaning up these 3 tables events (37% ITM and 88% ROI) and have 2 goals. First is to make the Final Table, I feel there I have played weel enough and am "happy" with my play. Second (and more imprtant) is to make the top 3.

    Now while cashing is good, and folding JJ might be an option here because you are almost guranteed the money, I'm playing for top 3 here. Theres a major jump between 4th and 3rd in money. You're gonna need to double up, and soon if you want to have a decent shot at top 3. I bet that the other 2 guys with short stacks were going to "give up" once the bubble broke. there are 2 CL's and 3 also-ran's entering the bubble. You need to take control of the 3rd place money runner here.
    Last edited by Marm; 05-27-2005 at 08:23 PM.
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    I don't think folding the Jacks is my move here. I'm all in PF because I can't think that 4th and 5th pay too well, but 3rd must not pay too shabby for $10, not to mention winning this hand gives me confidence that I could be heads-up within 20-30 minutes though aggression with over $7k and people wanting to not go broke along with the CL and #2 men so close to each other.
    Quote Originally Posted by FaDi View Post
    GodFadiR (12:32:45 AM): but lets be honest
    GodFadiR (12:32:48 AM): who doesnt wanna fuck me
    WotaWotaWota (12:33:22 AM): I do
    WotaWotaWota (12:33:27 AM): in tehanus

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    This doesn't actually have that much to do with the hand but losing a hand like this is what tilts me. I think I'm taking a more conservative style here to save my sanity Fold, pick up 4th/5th and have your buyin for the next one covered.

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    I'm the opposite in an SnG. I'm playing to 1st or 2nd at worst in a single table, top 3 in a 2 table, but still 3rd is a bitch. This one, you're playing for Top 3 and winning this pot puts you in a good position for that with the added power to start stealing antes with people in bubble fear. Those bubble fear pots, raising to 1500 is effective here on the button and CO which is coming soon. Win this hand and playing heads up is a good possibility. The blinds are your only enemy if you win this hand.
    Quote Originally Posted by FaDi View Post
    GodFadiR (12:32:45 AM): but lets be honest
    GodFadiR (12:32:48 AM): who doesnt wanna fuck me
    WotaWotaWota (12:33:22 AM): I do
    WotaWotaWota (12:33:27 AM): in tehanus

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    I've folded the hand before in a four-table SnG and regretted it afterwards, I did make the money because of the fold, but I had a great chance to double up when I found out the other two who went in had 5-5 and 8-8. But, there were only two people (including me) in all in mode at the time, in your case I would've folded with the same logic someone else used about UTG+1 not lasting one more round.

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