Hi all ,

I have been mulling over this for a few weeks now and I'm becoming
convinced that drawing hands seem to win more than premuim ones...
I guess this is assuming the betting is low enough to allow the
drawing hand to play , still I have played and seen on tv , that the
drawing hand makes more money....
by drawing hands I give a few examples .. KJ , QJ ,A2 suited,A4 , A5, K10,10J,Q10,89,76,45,52,910 ,,etc....
What do u guys think ..?

Premium hands are more profitable. You need to learn to let get rid of them in certain spots. Not saying drawing hands are not profitable in the right situtions. They play better in postion, in loose passive games and when stacks are deeper

Originally Posted by rakebackdonkeys

Premium hands are more profitable. You need to learn to let get rid of them in certain spots. .

yes , but I have started a scary trend (for myself) of "protecting" my
premuim hands too much , i.e pre-flop , therefore "only" winning the blinds
and wotever else was called , I know I probably sound a bit greedy in
wanting more , but I can't get into a bad habit (imo) of being too scared
to let the premuim hands "play" , if that makes sense ....
What do u guys think about this ? is it a common fear ?

I know nothing about the program "stacked". Fron what I can tell that your referring to by protecting your premium hands too much by over raising the pot pre this can be a big mistake live players make. Don't be the guy in a 1/2 game that opens AA for $40. I open all my hands pre for a standard size pot raise. This has its pro and cons. The biggest benefit is that I can open alot more hands and have a real balance to my starting hands but there is alot more cons to this approach. One being you give bigger implied odds especially when stacks are deep and the other being live players will call over sized raises pre on a regular basis. If you are having trouble playing premium hands post flop you need to find the balance between the standard pot sized raise and the huge over raise that will get you 1-2 callers that will make your hand much easier to play. A good starting point in a 1/2 game would be $12 plus $2 for ever caller all ready in the pot.

thanks for the advice , the program "stacked" is apparently co-produced by negreanu ....apparently , lol.
I m not one of "those" ppl who raise like 10x the blinds , I raise the normal 3x bb , and then they fold - mostly , as for the live players , I have "dealt"
with one set of them so far (the more proffessional set if u will) , the other looser set I'm yet to deal with ...I think its' thier format which was killing
me ....viz , 50 chips (single value for all chips) and blinds 1/2 , then 2/4 then if some1 gets kicked out blinds are doubled i.e 4/8 ,
I just got there (yesterday) and within 10mins (and no good hands, premuim or otherwise) the blinds were 4/8 , which is almost a 5th of my stack
and after a small fold and 2 bb , I only had like 28chips and decided (probably wrongly) to go all in with 22 , was called and a guy managed a straight
on the river... I don't think I will play that format in future .... (any advice if I do play?)
But I will take the advice of 3x bb betting , I usually don't do this as I like to "take the risk" and just raise 1x bb ,
however I guess the pro's 3xbb for a reason , and doing it consistently hides the value of ur cards at the same time "builds the pot"
who would think one would need to do this in NL ?..... however I guess one has to ...lol , I didn't really realise this before .... ( I knew about pot-building in limit holdem).

As far as the 50 chip game that you play. It can still be profitable but with extremely high variance. It sounds more like a tournament and I would play it that way. When you have less then 10 bb your only play is to shove all-in or fold. With stacks this short the drawing hands go way down in value but can be very profitable when shoving in position. For example your on the button with 8bb's with 56s and it folds around to you. Don't be afraid to shove here. The blinds going to fold the majority of the time and your going to pick up the 1.5bb's and increase your stack by almost 20%. Even when your called your hand will play better against there range then a hand like A3.

thanks , maybe will give that format one more try , but it just doesn't "feel" like "normal" poker , ha ha I wonder how strange I must sound
sometimes but yeah ,
btw the other "set of ppl I played" thier format was much much better , chip values for different colours , total chip count around 50k
chip values like 100/200/500/1000/5000 , this format was more like "normal" poker ..lol , and no doubling of the blinds when some1 goes out ....
the problem is the better format guys play only every 6 weeks or so .. whereas the worse 50chip guys play every week ...... makes me wonder
whether they just like throwing money away ...? ha ha ha ....
On the main issue , I will update on my progress in "stacked" and the 3xbb story ....
thanks again

Originally Posted by rakebackdonkeys

One being you give bigger implied odds

I have already noticed this , as I have had a few hands and 3xbb pre-flop
get a caller almost everytime depending on position of course ...
And the caller (in "stacked") , at times has a tendency to re-raise
early on , but this is fine for me and I call , and so far have won every
hand that this has happened in ... (3 or 4) and the good part in relation
to the thread title is that with my premium hand even pre-flop
there's already a sizable pot to be had ! :-) ,
will see how it goes after more hands ....