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    Default 10/20 SH- on the button bluff PF and a draw on the flop.

    Do I have the worst hand on the flop with a good draw, two live cards and the worst draw, or the worst hand and the worst draw. I was on a bluff obviously PF and semi-bluffing hoping to win the pot on the flop.

    Some info on Villian that I checked before making my turn decision:
    350+ hands
    28% VPIP
    1.1 aggression

    All of these hands that I'm speaking of with Villian are SH, so the 28% doesn't make him a total fish as he only showsdown less than 7% of his hands.

    What do think? Bad Ace, medium pair, or flush draw and what do you do here on the turn?

    Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

    Preflop: Hero is Button with , .
    3 folds, Hero raises, SB calls, 1 fold.

    Flop: (5 SB) , , (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

    Turn: (3.50 BB) (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero ________ ?

    Fill in the blank.
    Last edited by the alex; 05-24-2005 at 09:10 PM.
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    Definitely continue to bet here on the turn. According to your statistics it seems fairly likely he has an ace, but he has shown no aggression so far so you might pick up the pot on the turn. And even if he does something tricky like check-raise you have 14 outs (9 diamonds, 2 queens, 3 sixes) to improve.
    Last edited by GTSamIAm; 05-24-2005 at 10:15 PM.

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    thx for counting the outs for us and especially a 10/20 player lol

    why wouldnt you bet the turn? what am i missing
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    I think I would bet the turn as well. What is the other likely scenario...you check and then he bets the river and then you call?

    You can still win it right here.
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    Well this is probably wrong, but I have a hard time imagining a 10/20 player without an ace here and even if you win with a pair of Q's I think it's a victory with the flop that came out. I think I check the turn and either bet or call his bet if the flush, a Q, or a 6 hits - I might even just check the river if he checks. Hopefully he's not on and you semi-bluffed his hand for him.

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    I don't know, don't let the 10/20 level fool you. I play 10/20 on party once in a while and there are still people making clowny plays...especially in a shorthanded game like this example.
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    Toughie. He doesn't seem aggressive, so I don't know if he would c/r with an ace or not but that is what I would do here if I had any ace. I think that you should bet this turn. If he calls and you don't improve on the river, I think I probably will just check behind. You have some showdown value with second pair, so there is still a fair chance your hand would be best.

    Yes, the more I think about it, the better I think this turn bet is.

    What I would like to know from alex is this: let's say you bet turn, he calls and the river is the 8d. He checks, you bet, he raises. Do you simply call here or put in 3. I always put in 3 and would like to know if you think a simple call would be better.

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    Well... I Bet... Why I would'nt

    He called 3/4 of a raise pre folp, bet call the flop and check the turn... no agression...?
    I dont think he would slow play a stong ace or better here wiht 2 diamonds and a belly buster for the board way here.

    Just my opinion... I may have missed somthing!?!?!?!

    KJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by bboy
    Toughie. He doesn't seem aggressive, so I don't know if he would c/r with an ace or not but that is what I would do here if I had any ace.
    This is my fear and it's a fear that I try not to have, but at times it creeps up on me. The semi-bluff was on a flush draw to get a free river card, but I was still shocked that he was allowing me to take that free river by checking the turn.

    Quote Originally Posted by bboy
    What I would like to know from alex is this: let's say you bet turn, he calls and the river is the 8d. He checks, you bet, he raises. Do you simply call here or put in 3. I always put in 3 and would like to know if you think a simple call would be better.
    I'd call the raise. I wouldn't re-raise the river here. If I bet and get called on the turn, there are 5.5BB's in the pot going into the river. It's a nice pot, but not enough to justify 3-bets with a potential cap. We'd almost triple the pot.
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    Here's the whole hand. What do you guys think? I saw a lot of people advocating betting and I wanted to, but I was afraid of a C/R. Stupid, I know, but if he had an Ace, I think he would've and I put him on an Ace and figured me to kepp betting.

    I don't know if I would've bet anything but a Q, 6, or diamond on the river at the time. I really should've followed through on the turn, I think. I'm thinking he had an LSC of diamonds.

    Thanks for the input, though.

    Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

    Preflop: Hero is Button with , .
    3 folds, Hero raises, SB calls, 1 fold.

    Flop: (5 SB) , , (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

    Turn: (3.50 BB) (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero checks.

    River: (3.50 BB) (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets, SB folds.

    Final Pot: 4.50 BB

    Results in white below:
    Hero has Qd 6d (two pair, queens and sixes).
    Outcome: Hero wins 4.50 BB.
    Quote Originally Posted by FaDi View Post
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