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    Default AA fold

    Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, 1$ BB (9 handed) converter

    saw flop|saw showdown

    Button ($95.9)
    SB ($392.77)
    BB ($104.75)
    UTG ($90.85)
    UTG+1 ($94.5)
    MP1 ($178.39)
    MP2 ($87.2)
    Hero ($344.6)
    CO ($99.5)

    Preflop: Hero is MP3 with , . SB posts a blind of $0.5.
    UTG calls $1, UTG+1 calls $1, MP1 calls $1, 1 fold, Hero raises to $8, 4 folds, UTG calls $7, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds.

    Flop: ($19.50) , , (2 players)
    UTG checks, Hero bets $14, UTG calls $14.

    Turn: ($47.50) (2 players)
    UTG checks, Hero checks.

    River: ($47.50) (2 players)
    UTG bets $20, Hero folds.

    Final Pot: $67.50

    no reads. he has a set yes?
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    Are you sure about this?

    Dont you think KK and AQ are strong possibilities too... even JJ no? Well, I have to admit that those hands would have been played poorly here but you was on a 1$ BB table on PP. I would have call that 20$ bet on the river I think with no more info on your oponent.

    Cant be sure BTW...

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    I see what you're saying, but the small bet is very fishy. He wants to get called here. Odds say to call, but your read says to fold getting 2:1. Go with the read. I like it, but I might call depending on the player and the table atmosphere.
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    JK's two Aces that include the eliminates a lot of possibilities for AQ or a busted flush. This could be Queens. It could be Jacks. I couldn't say that this is a great laydown because a lot people would play Tens or AK the way you played your Aces here. Of course a lot of people could play Jacks this way as well, so if he has Queens, this is a good bet to induce a call from a moron that would play Jacks this way.

    Q: Did you consider betting $14 again on the turn and checking the river? I don't think you have to be afraid of a flush or straight draw here.
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    Anytime someone calls they have a set? You need to bet this turn. Imagine this from your opponents point of view:


    You raise 8 ??, flop comes Q high, you auto bet and get called and shutdown completely? QKs AQ is not possible?


    Why would a set check the turn on this draw heavy board? I'm putting opponent on a queen and calling. If he has the sr8 or set it doesnt matter because he played the hand horrible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goose58
    Why would a set check the turn on this draw heavy board? I'm putting opponent on a queen and calling. If he has the sr8 or set it doesnt matter because he played the hand horrible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goose58
    If he has the sr8 or set it doesnt matter because he played the hand horrible.
    How do you know that he's played it horribly, Goose? You haven't even ATTEMPTED to put Villian on a hand!

    Your recent posts really suck. You make statements without reasoning to validate those statements. Give us some reasoning in the form of if/then's and such.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the alex
    I see what you're saying, but the small bet is very fishy. He wants to get called here. Odds say to call, but your read says to fold getting 2:1. Go with the read. I like it, but I might call depending on the player and the table atmosphere.
    That's what i said... without more info I really think i would have call.

    Also, I dont see why a set would have chck the turn. Again, it's so hard to know if your up agaist a fish or a shark.

    That said, I rarely fold when I have the odds in ring games and no info about the oponenent...

    KJ

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    I'd fold - his stack is only a bit below buy in... looks tight honest to me

    BUT... one thing for sure- he knows you've got at least AA.

    I'm doing work on knocking AA down - There's a fair bit of money in this. PPL are paranoid about cracked aces.
    Call check - and well pitched bet on the river really unnerve a tight aggressive. (I know!!!).. Particulary if you've been folding for couple of rounds... On a non-threatening flop I reckon 70% put down - if it gets threatening a tad higher..

    Under these circumstances I'd be tempted to toss a coin.. I reckon you got to call 50% of these at this level. You won't ever have enough of a read I reckon to know if its a play .But obviously you can't put down every time this happens.

    What I am doing now is if the AA are the same colour I call - If they are different I fold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the alex
    JK's two Aces that include the eliminates a lot of possibilities for AQ or a busted flush. This could be Queens. It could be Jacks. I couldn't say that this is a great laydown because a lot people would play Tens or AK the way you played your Aces here. Of course a lot of people could play Jacks this way as well, so if he has Queens, this is a good bet to induce a call from a moron that would play Jacks this way.

    Q: Did you consider betting $14 again on the turn and checking the river? I don't think you have to be afraid of a flush or straight draw here.
    Good analysis, limping then just calling with QQ doesn't seem all that likely to me, probably AK, AQ or a smaller pair.

    I would say sevens are more likely than QQ.

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