What are the advatages of Buying in short vs Buying in Full (in a capped Buy-in NL game)? I know we kinda touched on this earlier, but I was hoping to get a good treatise out of this....
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Thread: Short vs Full
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05-24-2005 #1
Short vs Full
Marm is back, maybe. Been off for 3 years. Rusty as Hell.
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05-24-2005 #2
full short shot
If you buy in short you are more likely to get an all-in called - This then adds value to AA and any nuts.
If you buy in full you decrease the value of AA. But you can exploit nuts + 2nd best hand (you need your opponent to have this) This is more rare than AA.
In NL the conclusion I came to: you buy in to the biggest stack on the table and adjust preflop re-raises accordingly for AA. Very important is table selection. You are better off playing a 0.05/0.1 table with an average stack of $25 than 0.5/1 with an average stack of $23. To get technical on this the nickle and dime example is likely to be full of lucky drunks whilst the latter is full of sober and scared players - i.e blood from rocks....
The blinds are not important in NL. It is flop entry and stack which you should look at...See me playing $10/$20NL like it was play money
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05-24-2005 #3
I've always bough in full, but often wondered about this idea:
If you were to buy in so that you had every playey you considered worse than you covered, and then, if possible, keep you're stack smaller than any player better than you. Of course you could also just avoid this player w/o the nuts.“There's no sense in being precise when you don't even know what you're talking about.” - John von Neumann
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05-24-2005 #4PokerForums God
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Ed Miller has a short section on this in Getting Started in Hold'em.
Raymer also wrote about it on 2+2.
Raymer basically said that the biggest stacks ingnored him, and he could triple when caught between two of them going to war with draws.
I know a big stack makes me no more dangerous in a ring game. I probably play a 20-100BB stack the best, more than that is useless to me.
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05-24-2005 #5
Personaly I like to buy-in short and play about 10-15 hands short. Then, I rebuy max.
As Deme said, it increase the value of AA, KK and QQ preflop IMO. So, I play it super tight for about 15 hands hoping to catch a monster and double or even triple up early. If I dont, I simply rebuy to the man allowed.
KJ
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05-24-2005 #6
"Doubling up" isn't that big of a deal in a ring game. All that matters is winning money. If you buy in for 50 and move in with AA, get called and win you're at 100. Thats $50 profit. If you buy in for 100 but can only get 75% of you're money in, get called and win, you're at 175 for $75 profit.
Originally Posted by KINGJACK
“There's no sense in being precise when you don't even know what you're talking about.” - John von Neumann
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05-24-2005 #7
Bigger stacks = more folding equity, more speculative hands
Short stacks = pair poker, allin with top pair
The deeper the stacks, the more costly mistakes are. Deeper stacks = more skill than short stacked. Short stack = more luck +more variance.
I could elaborate further but you could honestly fill a book with stack size strategy and tactics.
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05-24-2005 #8
more variance != more luck
“There's no sense in being precise when you don't even know what you're talking about.” - John von Neumann
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05-24-2005 #9
Well... I know... It's just that I like to say I buy only 50 instead of 100 and I'm at 100$ any way after 2-3 hands played.
Originally Posted by bonchkid
Most of the time you wont be call if you bet 50$ pre flop with 100$ stack. You will if you go all in for 50$...
BTW, I know your so right, it's just an old habbit... I still do it from time to time.
KJ
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05-24-2005 #10
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