PokerStars Game #1755660141: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2005/05/23 -
22:36:30 (ET)
Table 'Alkimos III' Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: bing6489 ($11.05 in chips)
Seat 2: UBLUFFEDME ($25.25 in chips)
Seat 3: meethecarrot ($11.55 in chips)
Seat 4: Beldar69 ($27.05 in chips)
Seat 5: dopemope223 ($16.50 in chips)
Seat 6: The $ting ($29.70 in chips)
Seat 7: jsnips1973 ($11.30 in chips)
Seat 8: Priapism ($8 in chips)
Seat 9: jeep10 ($7.25 in chips)
The $ting: posts small blind $0.10
jsnips1973: posts big blind $0.25
Dealt to dopemope223 [ ]
UBLUFFEDME: calls $0.25
meethecarrot: calls $0.25
dopemope223: calls $0.25
The $ting: calls $0.15
jsnips1973: checks
*** FLOP *** [ ]
The $ting: checks
jsnips1973: checks
UBLUFFEDME: bets $0.50
meethecarrot: calls $0.50
dopemope223: raises $2.50 to $3
The $ting: folds
jsnips1973: folds
UBLUFFEDME: calls $2.50
... Did i raise enough here to cut down his odds, making it incorrect to call on a flush draw or was the raise to weak..
Results in white below:
UBLUFFEDME was holding ah 8h and the 3h hit on the turn, river was a blank and he raised 6 dollars and i called..
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Glass Weed Pipe

K9 suited in middle WITHOUT two prior callers is a fold....

You're short stacked here - never play with less than full stack.

You've got 5 ppl at the table with less than 50bb - leave and find a new table.

Apart from eveey sensible kicker under the sun beating you KJ is a common holding and you paid him off when he hit. He may have been playing you for the flush draw with AK,KQ, KJ even trips (enough ppl in there) in which case you're virtually drawing dead...

In truth his play wasn't great. - This is the sort of hand that shouldn't happen!! What has happened to Pokerstars since I left

You gave him a little more than 2:1 if you aren't paying off another heart and betting enough on the turn its probably ok. Of course you don't KNOW he's on a flush draw...

one second here.. let me justify my call pf and then i'll tell you what i was thinking on the flop,, #1 there were 5 callers pf and i was getting in cheep to see a free flop, Plus with more money in the pot if i did hit a flush draw i would be getting better odds. Also the guy that bet the 50c was chasing draws all day, i saw him do it before earlier in the session, I'd been playing really tight the whole session and i felt that i was ahead in the hand and plus a big reraise such as that should of pushed him off that hand and that was what i was trying to do ,, after the raise and his call i put him on the flush draw and thats why i checked on the turn,, the river didn't matter and it was a bad call in my situation on the river, really bad..
And i'll tell you another hand i had just after reading these posts, i got K9 off in late position and folded to a 20c raise from early position, i was pondering a call based on my position and the guy was shortstacked, but i decided to fold, guess what the flop was K99
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Trimotor

Originally Posted by xxdemexx

K9 suited in middle WITHOUT two prior callers is a fold....

K9s in MP is always a fold in NL ring.

Originally Posted by xxdemexx

You're short stacked here - never play with less than full stack.

You've got 5 ppl at the table with less than 50bb - leave and find a new table.

If you are not going to buy in for $25 and always keep at least $20 on this table because of BR discrepancy, play the $10 game, buy in at full, and never have less than $8 on the table going into a hand. You're killing your odds that depend on a constant stack. Varying your stack is an effort to argue with basic probablities and Lay:Get ratios that justify certain moves.

Originally Posted by xxdemexx

Apart from eveey sensible kicker under the sun beating you KJ is a common holding and you paid him off when he hit. He may have been playing you for the flush draw with AK,KQ, KJ even trips (enough ppl in there) in which case you're virtually drawing dead...

My first thought was that Villian has KJ and is betting to induce a raise.

Originally Posted by xxdemexx

In truth his play wasn't great. - This is the sort of hand that shouldn't happen!!

This play is horrible from your opponent and this play runs rampant in these games reinforcing the lack of need to play more hands and if your in a game where playing more hands is profitable, it's profitable through aggression.

This is NL. This play reinforces the reasoning behind keeping a full stack in order to maximze your wins.

I think that your raise on the flop is bad because you have to call or fold here. Your 9 kicker is not going to be good in most cases here with this many people seeing the flop. What if you get raised to $7? What if you get min. raised? What if Villian bet $1 on the flop?

You're putting yourself in trouble and I hope you see why. If you raised putting Villian on a draw, why call when the 3rd heart hits? With all due respect, your "justifications" sound more like excuses for "fishitis."

Originally Posted by goose58

You guys are missing the point. Sure K9 isn't a solid starting hand, but he did have the best hand on the flop. The thing is you payed off a draw


The only thing you can do is give him incorrect odds to call, and if he hits you must fold. How can you call the $6 river bet with K9? I can understand betting k9, but calling a big river bet on this scary board is bad poker. You must think your beat. What bets $6 on the river? k8? A bluff?

Hmm...I never would have played this unless it was play money...