Ok my questions may seem a little dumb but, hey im here to learn.
Quite often in a S&G when theres four to five players and the blinds are 50/100 or 75/150 i will raise from the button or the cut off with something like KJ or KQ say, and the BB calls. The flop might come one of my cards high and its checked to me so i put out a half to three quarter pot sized bet and the BB calls The turn brings an ace and the BB will bet out. Some times depending on my stack size compared to theirs i will call this down, others i fold to conserve my stack. Most times the BB in this situation will have the ace. My question is, did the BB make the correct call or was it just a donk thinking "dur hey i might catch an ace on the turn"?
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08-11-2009 #1Fish
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Another dumb question
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08-11-2009 #2
That is a very situational and villian dependant question.
Since you don't really have a ton of time to get to know your opponent in a SnG you usually just need to go with your gut.
In tournements like that I don't like to make any soft or weak plays. If I make a raise with a solid hand and position I'm intending to win. If someone takes a flop with me out of position and I catch the flop, I'm hammering it!
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08-13-2009 #3Fish
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my own thinking on this is if im the one holding the ace OOP then i might fire a cbet or check fold, depending on all sorts of factors, just wondering if im missing an opportunity to pick up a few extra chips. Personally i hate chasers, and cant stand the worst of all suck outs, the donk who will not lay down that ace and takes fire from all sides until they river it.
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08-13-2009 #4
I'm not a great SNG player, but on the bubble with blinds that high, If I have 10-13 bbs I am in push/pray mode. Take advantage of good hands short handed, and punish people trying to survive the money!
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08-13-2009 #5
We really need to know stack sizes to answer this, it's a very important part of tournament play.
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08-13-2009 #6Fish
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Okay, lets say for arguments sake were five handed im on the button with 2,500 tchips holding Q K and the BB has roughly 1,900. Blinds are 50/100. usually id raise to about 3/400 and the BB calls. Ok was hoping for a fold but the flops K high with rags theres now 850 in the pot and its checked to me so i bet 400 and the BB calls (leaving themselves with 900). The turn brings the ace and the BB shoves. At this point with a much lager stack id probably call but with above sized stack im folding here. My thinking when playing a shortish stack at these levels is if i dont hit the flop in the face then theres no point chasing and giving away more chips. so in the above situation, although not an actual hand its very similar to a situation ive had over and over again. I think as long as i have ten bigs or more my all ins are likely to induce a fold rather than a call so im waiting for a better spot. Long winded as that is, in short if i had the ace on the BB blind there and miss the flop im folding to any bet, but so many seem to call. hope this makes sense.
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08-13-2009 #7Fish
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just adding im talking about a very specific situation where the only out on the turn for the villain would be the aces, of course there are situations that have been a genuine check raise where villain holds two pair or a set.
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08-13-2009 #8River Rat
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So let me get this straight...you bet 400 preflop and then cbet regardless if you hit or not 400 again? I might be reading this wrong so correct me if I am. But I'm doing 3/4 to pot sized bet if I hit the flop hard like that. Hell I'd probably do it as a cbet with nothing. All you can hope for is the villain to get his money into the money with the worst hand...so in short let him chase his "a" or whatever but make him pay every street he doesn't get there.
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08-14-2009 #9Fish
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I think you read it wrong, no im not cbetting on a missed flop if im short stacked, if im well stacked then yeah deffinitely. What i said was when i do hit the flop after raising im firing out a half to pot sized bet. My question was is the VILLAIN right to call that bet with nothing but an ace.
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08-15-2009 #10River Rat
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Oh yeah, then you want him to call. Sure he'll get there some of the time and it's always nice to win the pot when villains hand can improve to beat yours. But for every time he makes that call and doesn't get there then you're winning and he's making the incorrect play.
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