i have a problem folding when i am min raised
im not gonna lie
infact i would go to say i should be rolled for nl100, by how much ive been min raised and havent folded due to ? its not inexperience, just i dont believe the min raise, am i missing value by raising people on the flop instead of min raising when they fold?
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July 22nd, 2009 #1
does min raise ALWAYS = strength?
July 22nd, 2009 #2
Min-raise is for noobs. It's the smoke rising from the fire of a huge hand.
Check Min-raise is even more noobish. I fold pair no draw all day to min-raise.
If a min raise comes from an advanced player I might stick around. I've seen alot of advanced players use min-raise against other advanced players. It's usually used as a semi-bluff. I've done it a lot myself, but NEVER against a fish.
Amazing how you can take control of a pot when you minraise an advanced player. Sometimes you'll take it down, othertimes you give yourself an opportunity to win it later should you miss.
The 1 time when this doesn't work though is when you pull that minraise semi-bluff crap on a made hand. 3 bet hits you in the face real face.
July 24th, 2009 #3
The answer is no.
July 25th, 2009 #4
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I'm assuming that were talking about min-raising your bet on the flop not pre-flop. I agree with Wallace, but think it can be pretty player dependent. Just develop a read and go with it. 'Always' is probably not a helpful word in poker.
While on the subject of min-raising, at NL50 and lower, preflop, I generally weight min-raises UTG to strength and button min-raises as silly.
Watched an interesting MTT video on PokerSavvy+ yesterday dedicated to the subject of min-raising as a tourney strategy. I think it was the video from July 22.
Blah...enough about min-raising...I like to stay as far from it as possible.
July 27th, 2009 #5
Had about 4 different min raise positions yesterday and every single one of them was not strength!!!! I think they were more using it against me to see how strong i was... Won all 4 hands but do wonder on a couple of them if i could have extracted more money from them!!!
July 27th, 2009 #6
I use the min-raise on a few occasions, not all of them indicating a monster hand:
1) When I feel that a min raise is all my opponent can call and I want to be paid off.
2) The min-raise is a good source of cheap information when you suspect your opponent is weak. If you get flat called or folded to... you know either you have them beat or that on a subsequent street a sizable bet can win you the pot even without any kind of great hand. On the other hand, a re-raise allows you to get out of the way cheaply.
3) To induce a re-raise from a suspected second-best hand
4) At random times during a session to mix up my play
5) To build up the pot with a strong draw (OESFD, etc..) or the nuts... since I can make the same play with either, it is difficult for opponents to tell if I have a monster hand or if I'm simply drawing to one.
July 27th, 2009 #7
Seems the last few times I've min-raised with a big draw I've ran up against 2 pair or a set and watched a big 3bet get shoved back in my grill. That really blows. It's essentially the equivelent of getting caught bluffing, because depending on how deep you are, you either need to move in on a 4bet or fold.
August 5th, 2009 #8
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the only time I believe a minraise is good play is if you are in early pos. after the flop with a very good hand that you do not want to get cracked (such as a nut/2nd nut straight). The minraise will get 1 or 2 of the opponents who havent acted yet to possibly fold and you will be pretty much guaranteed a call by the original raiser.
August 5th, 2009 #9
Now when you bet the turn you get 1 of 2 results. You either bet just enough to keep them chasing and give them a cheap chance at cracking you or you make a real bet and they run out of this pot because the min-raise scared them off.
November 7th, 2011 #10PokerChampCoachingGuest
Absolutely not. I min raise my entire range which is very wide. I also find it to be very profitable as well.
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